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10/02/06 03:13
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#125554 - RC-reset circuitry is always critical!
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Richard said:
I've found, however, that .1 microfarad with a 1K-ohm pulldown works fairly well with most, but not necessarily all, 805x types.

RC-reset circuits are highly problematic, because of several points:

1. If rise time of Vcc on power-on is much bigger than time constant of RC-reset circuit, then no high pulse will ever be seen at the reset input pin! Assume you power the micro by a tiny and weak mains transformer, then several mains half periods might be needed to swing to nominal Vcc level. So, rise time of Vcc on power-on can last up to 10...20msec. With the time constant of your example, namley 100nF x 1k = 0.1msec, proper generation of reset pulse cannot be guaranteed.

2. Even if the time constant of RC-reset circuit is properly chosen, it's still needed that mains voltage is nominal during the power-on. But if a short dip occurs, proper generation of reset pulse cannot be guaranteed.

3. RC-reset circuits cannot produce any reset signal when Vcc falls! So, small Vcc dips can make the micro to run ill.

Micros containing a flash code memory don't like very much power-ons and power-downs without reliably activated reset line. It's reported many times, that corruptions of code memory has been observed. So, it's always highly recommended to use a proper reset chip, when a flash micro is used, even if this chip might be more expensive than the whole micro. The reset chip must guarantee a proper reset pulse on power-on AND power-down (and during dips, of course), and this equally how long the rise and fall times are.

James, take note, that the MAX1232 contains a watchdog, which cannot be switched-off, but must periodically be "fed".

Kai

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AT89S8252-24PI            01/01/70 00:00      
   Questions            01/01/70 00:00      
      Better answer            01/01/70 00:00      
         The newer they are, the faster they become...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Pictures            01/01/70 00:00      
               try a reset cct            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Reset Generator            01/01/70 00:00      
                     read the reset spec's for your part            01/01/70 00:00      
                        RC-reset circuitry is always critical!            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Doing the math            01/01/70 00:00      
                              a confusion            01/01/70 00:00      
                           I don't like 'em, but it's built into the DS89C4x0            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Power-on problem reported for DS89C440!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 They're discontinuing the '440 anyway ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Trouble with inproper reset circuits            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Interesting ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    This is why....            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       why heresy            01/01/70 00:00      
                              already comented in other thread            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Still not completely relevant.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    apples and oranges.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Sometimes you feel like a nut. Sometimes you don\'t            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    reset FAQ            01/01/70 00:00      
               Can publish it for you            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Here comes the picture...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Picture            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Isn't needed at VPP            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Solder side            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Second attempt            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Ok, last try            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Hmmm            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Picture of solder side            01/01/70 00:00      
                              a few quick tests            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 bigger cap\'s maybe?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Yes Marcia, they do oscillate!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Who's Marcia?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       It's like op-amp's            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Required equipment            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    it MUST go            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       p0 not a good idea            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          check with a scope AND a pullup, then :-)            01/01/70 00:00      
   Re: questions            01/01/70 00:00      
      programmer            01/01/70 00:00      
   try it with a decent reset IC            01/01/70 00:00      
   Possible solution            01/01/70 00:00      
      Possible solution?            01/01/70 00:00      
      "Increase your org?" What does that mean?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Sorry Russ,            01/01/70 00:00      
            no it has not            01/01/70 00:00      
               what he means is ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  ORG. $25??            01/01/70 00:00      
                     aren't you fortunate            01/01/70 00:00      

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