Email: Password: Remember Me | Create Account (Free)

Back to Subject List

Old thread has been locked -- no new posts accepted in this thread
???
04/09/07 08:51
Read: times


 
#136830 - I dont know how this is going.....
Responding to: ???'s previous message

By ripping out, I don't mean use pliers to pull them out of the IC, I mean bend the metal legs (or teeth if you want to call them that) of the IC and keep bending them until they snap off. It looks like you will get a clean cut.


to help.

A wire can be soldered to the remaing visible cut portion of the pin in the the epoxy package, another point, I dont think this is a wise method, applying force to the pin might actually stress the wire(gold) bonds to the silicon pads this may effect the quality and reliability of the product.


The circuit has been changed around a little
however the pinout is EXACTLY the same, the components are a little different,but basically they are doing the same thing.


The 89C2051 has 2K of flash, and it is not difficult to implement the same functions / features as your product, without actually copying your chip.

My products are continously "copied", when it first happened around 7 years ago, I was disappointed and depressed, but now I am amused, none of these people could copy the quality or reliability, nor could they copy the engineering.

Manufacturing itself is an art/science, I had to learn all these to consistently produce a reliable product.

This does not mean that you should not take copying of your products seriously, for this very reason I am now designing my products around the Renesas R8C/Tiny series microcontroller. These have a serial number to be programmed once locked you cant even erase the chip, if you forget the serial number.

The chip programming protocols are proprietary Renesas does not reveal this, you will to buy the programmer only from Renesas.
All this should make the copying/breaking very very difficult if not impossible.

John.



List of 56 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
89C2051 unlocked and copied            01/01/70 00:00      
   You'll prolly find that the have set the security            01/01/70 00:00      
   CPU Compare            01/01/70 00:00      
   Unlock at89c2051            01/01/70 00:00      
      Proof            01/01/70 00:00      
   Close But Far Away            01/01/70 00:00      
      Several Steps for the Next Product            01/01/70 00:00      
         might I suggest...            01/01/70 00:00      
            anything else would be outright silly.            01/01/70 00:00      
         please explain            01/01/70 00:00      
            try this            01/01/70 00:00      
   an idea            01/01/70 00:00      
      I dont know how this is going.....            01/01/70 00:00      
         the cost of copying            01/01/70 00:00      
            It makes little sense ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Too optimistic ?            01/01/70 00:00      
            another way??            01/01/70 00:00      
            I beg to differ....            01/01/70 00:00      
               protection *scheme*?            01/01/70 00:00      
               I absolutely agree, Michael            01/01/70 00:00      
            COPYING YOUR PROGRAM...            01/01/70 00:00      
               OR            01/01/70 00:00      
      easily fixed with a soldering iron            01/01/70 00:00      
   Some ideas            01/01/70 00:00      
   re:copied software            01/01/70 00:00      
      find out if you want to prove if the code is assem            01/01/70 00:00      
         Excellent point!            01/01/70 00:00      
      legit or not            01/01/70 00:00      
      Re: Re: Copied software            01/01/70 00:00      
         A guess            01/01/70 00:00      
   Are you sure            01/01/70 00:00      
      Am I a pirate?            01/01/70 00:00      
         In the US            01/01/70 00:00      
            I don't understand part            01/01/70 00:00      
               The story of Compac Computer.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  an example of legal reverse engineering            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Would this be an example legal reverse engineering            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I can't tell            01/01/70 00:00      
                           find out what the purpose of a patent is            01/01/70 00:00      
   You still did not answer question            01/01/70 00:00      
   Copied software            01/01/70 00:00      
      copying            01/01/70 00:00      
      You cant prove anything            01/01/70 00:00      
   copying products            01/01/70 00:00      
      Sad            01/01/70 00:00      
         but true ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Copying From School Days            01/01/70 00:00      
            What they can do            01/01/70 00:00      
   Oops! See next message!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Style can help            01/01/70 00:00      
   There IS a way to survive            01/01/70 00:00      
      Support, support, support!            01/01/70 00:00      
         You're right, of course, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Nothing more annoying ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Yes, if this is the only "support" he gets from you...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Well, there is support and then there's handholding            01/01/70 00:00      

Back to Subject List