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10/10/07 08:17
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#145582 - As some other members would put it ...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
... "the 8051 is great at doing the things it was designed to do, and very poor at doing things it was not designed to do."

"Being programmed without a host computer" is one of the things the '51 was not designed to do (along with other items like "floating point maths", "dynamic memory allocation", "self-modifying code", "using function pointers" and "running an OS that doesn't qualify as 'simple'").

While it is certainly possible to do all of these things on a '51 (maybe not on every chip, but you'll find a derivative that can), you will usually have a much easier time if you don't work against the hardware architecture and your tools, and pick a different chip if you intend to do any of these things for anything else than an academic exercise.

And welcome to the forum. :)

List of 39 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
8051 nuts and bolts?            01/01/70 00:00      
   start here            01/01/70 00:00      
      chips            01/01/70 00:00      
         THEORETICALLY            01/01/70 00:00      
         Well            01/01/70 00:00      
            masochism            01/01/70 00:00      
               even on a desert island...            01/01/70 00:00      
               As some other members would put it ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               I rest my case            01/01/70 00:00      
                  insight            01/01/70 00:00      
                     UART ISP.            01/01/70 00:00      
                     don't forget the level convertor            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Level Converter            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Level converter            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Damage?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 The datasheet will tell you.            01/01/70 00:00      
                              not commonly called "level converter"            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 More than just a level converter!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    a true level converter            01/01/70 00:00      
         Programming without a computer            01/01/70 00:00      
            pdp-11's            01/01/70 00:00      
               "escalating up to their "world-class" support" fun            01/01/70 00:00      
   A Book            01/01/70 00:00      
      Good One            01/01/70 00:00      
   Bible?            01/01/70 00:00      
      technical            01/01/70 00:00      
         PC vs 8051            01/01/70 00:00      
   Whadya think about this?            01/01/70 00:00      
      no, this is for the AT89S...            01/01/70 00:00      
         FAQ            01/01/70 00:00      
            better stick to the UART-ISP version            01/01/70 00:00      
         wrapped in pink cotton and 'politically correct'            01/01/70 00:00      
            Not at all!            01/01/70 00:00      
            ATMEL?            01/01/70 00:00      
               reasons            01/01/70 00:00      
   ISP            01/01/70 00:00      
      ISP            01/01/70 00:00      
      No, but do not worry about it            01/01/70 00:00      
   RE:Programming without computer            01/01/70 00:00      

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