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10/11/07 06:48
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 		 #145633 - Not at all!
Responding to: ???'s previous message
I said:
There is a lot of troubles with these [AT89Sxx] (we spent gigabytes of bandwidth discussing them and nowhere is the end) and I don't recommend it as the first step.

Erik Malund said:
wrapped in pink cotton and 'politically correct' but why not state it clearly

STAY AWAY FROM ATMEL

Erik,

do I really give up adherence to facts for sake of political correctness (no provocation, a true question)?


No, this is not what I wanted to say and it would be really misleading.

First, I did dis-recommend (what's the proper expression for this?) specifically the AT89Sxx (and, quietly, the antique AT89C5x with no suffix). The AT89C51RD2 and family (basically, the Temic stuff) is highly recommended.

Second, the group which I don't recommend for a newbie because of cumbersome programming, contains the P89LPC9xx. And, I would never say, stay away from Philips/NXP, as the recommended group does contain the P89V51RD2 family.

JW


List of 39 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
8051 nuts and bolts?            01/01/70 00:00      
   start here            01/01/70 00:00      
      chips            01/01/70 00:00      
         THEORETICALLY            01/01/70 00:00      
         Well            01/01/70 00:00      
            masochism            01/01/70 00:00      
               even on a desert island...            01/01/70 00:00      
               As some other members would put it ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               I rest my case            01/01/70 00:00      
                  insight            01/01/70 00:00      
                     UART ISP.            01/01/70 00:00      
                     don't forget the level convertor            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Level Converter            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Level converter            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Damage?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 The datasheet will tell you.            01/01/70 00:00      
                              not commonly called "level converter"            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 More than just a level converter!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    a true level converter            01/01/70 00:00      
         Programming without a computer            01/01/70 00:00      
            pdp-11's            01/01/70 00:00      
               "escalating up to their "world-class" support" fun            01/01/70 00:00      
   A Book            01/01/70 00:00      
      Good One            01/01/70 00:00      
   Bible?            01/01/70 00:00      
      technical            01/01/70 00:00      
         PC vs 8051            01/01/70 00:00      
   Whadya think about this?            01/01/70 00:00      
      no, this is for the AT89S...            01/01/70 00:00      
         FAQ            01/01/70 00:00      
            better stick to the UART-ISP version            01/01/70 00:00      
         wrapped in pink cotton and 'politically correct'            01/01/70 00:00      
            Not at all!            01/01/70 00:00      
            ATMEL?            01/01/70 00:00      
               reasons            01/01/70 00:00      
   ISP            01/01/70 00:00      
      ISP            01/01/70 00:00      
      No, but do not worry about it            01/01/70 00:00      
   RE:Programming without computer            01/01/70 00:00      

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