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10/15/07 12:53
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 		 #145765 - reasons
Responding to: ???'s previous message
I know they have chips that have the same pinout but different innards. Do they not have any that are 100% 8051? Why stay away?
1) My reason: When I reported a bug in the original '51 they made 'about' rev g they denied the existence "Atmel do not ship defective products" and in a letter (this was before e-mail)
to the management of the company I worked for stated "we can not respond to statements from incompetent persons". Oddly enough in the errata 'about' rev s stated that the bug I reported was fixed.
2) Richard Erlacher has another experience of being screwed by Atmel.
3) http://www.8052.com/forum/read.phtml?id=145671
4) http://www.8052.com/forum/read.phtml?id=145716
5) THE reason: as seen in the umpteen posts here and elsewhere, their 'SPI ISP' stinks.
6) This may change gradually now the Perlegos'es ("we can do nothing wrong") have been ousted, we will need to wait and see.

Erik

List of 39 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
8051 nuts and bolts?            01/01/70 00:00      
   start here            01/01/70 00:00      
      chips            01/01/70 00:00      
         THEORETICALLY            01/01/70 00:00      
         Well            01/01/70 00:00      
            masochism            01/01/70 00:00      
               even on a desert island...            01/01/70 00:00      
               As some other members would put it ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               I rest my case            01/01/70 00:00      
                  insight            01/01/70 00:00      
                     UART ISP.            01/01/70 00:00      
                     don't forget the level convertor            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Level Converter            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Level converter            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Damage?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 The datasheet will tell you.            01/01/70 00:00      
                              not commonly called "level converter"            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 More than just a level converter!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    a true level converter            01/01/70 00:00      
         Programming without a computer            01/01/70 00:00      
            pdp-11's            01/01/70 00:00      
               "escalating up to their "world-class" support" fun            01/01/70 00:00      
   A Book            01/01/70 00:00      
      Good One            01/01/70 00:00      
   Bible?            01/01/70 00:00      
      technical            01/01/70 00:00      
         PC vs 8051            01/01/70 00:00      
   Whadya think about this?            01/01/70 00:00      
      no, this is for the AT89S...            01/01/70 00:00      
         FAQ            01/01/70 00:00      
            better stick to the UART-ISP version            01/01/70 00:00      
         wrapped in pink cotton and 'politically correct'            01/01/70 00:00      
            Not at all!            01/01/70 00:00      
            ATMEL?            01/01/70 00:00      
               reasons            01/01/70 00:00      
   ISP            01/01/70 00:00      
      ISP            01/01/70 00:00      
      No, but do not worry about it            01/01/70 00:00      
   RE:Programming without computer            01/01/70 00:00      

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