??? 07/14/05 00:30 Read: times |
#97284 - off topic Responding to: ???'s previous message |
Joseph Hebert said:
First, Salaam again Payam, and never, ever, apologize for speaking the truth. Salaam. Nice to see you again. I did not appologize for my post, I'm proud of that post, I just added a short comment to the begining of the post to save users' time. It's customary/polite or something to do so. Joseph Hebert said:
Now Erik,
... such comments have absolutely no place in a technical forum. Exactly what sort of place is this technical forum if truth is unwelcome here? If you object to the statement being off-topic then don’t read it. But you weren’t content to ignore the statement. You had to punish, to chastise, the writer too. Why? Do you want to dissuade others from writing offensive truth? Or do you just want to dissuade others from writing any truth? Wait a second, Please, Eric might havegone a bit more than necessary when asking Craig to close the thread, Even if so, where is our toleration? Our flexibility? I mean even if so, that's okay with me. I didn't feel offended or whatever. Eric's attitude behind his words is what is more important to me and is it's apparently good to me. I can see this. I mean even if so, he did not do it because of 'bad will'. This is what is important to me. Don't blame him. please. Joseph Hebert said:
Fact: Truth is not an artifact of moral relativism. Truth is absolute; obfuscation and confusion are the tools with which deception is wrought. Very true. 'They' say: "Everything is relative, There is no such thing as value". They're wrong. Joseph Hebert said:
Fact: Islam does not mean peace. It means submission. Well, I'm not a muslim. But I seem to have to make some fair judgements now. It does mean peace dear Joseph, at least theoretically and not just as the meaning of the word. It's 'them' who cheated the Britons who spread these words/thoughts around the world to link Terrorism to Islam for Christians and link Hereticism to US for Muslims. Beware, I'm warning you my friend and ALL the world from this soapbox of mine;) that this is 'their' will to cheat Muslims and Christins against each other to the 3rd one. We be very carefull in our judgements. We gotta b=have a very wide viewpoint to be able to judge the whole thing that is happening. Look I don't give a darn for Islam/Christianity or whatever, I just want to be fair in judgement. Joseph Hebert said:
forced submission has been the principle form of evangelism for Islam. Islam is spread by political and military conquest. It was so from the beginning and it is so today. The Quran litterally says "there is no obligation in faith" The fact that Islam was spread with military power in the first years is okay, I just don't have the time to describe it. 'They' use this fact to present a cruel face for Islam. Beware it's 'them'. In the years after Muhammad the Arabs ruined the neighbouring territories like Iran and well yes they were cruel, but it was not Islam. Yes, Mullas in here and a lot of muslim chiefs or whatever have 'Fatwa'ed that a muslim if decides to leave the club is to be killed. Yes, they're cruel. Joseph Hebert said:
The point is this. From it’s inception, from the time right after the Hegira, bloodshed has always been the principle means of proselytization to Islam Muhammad's Califs or the Shia 'derivatives' Imams even the early ones do not represent him and his mission. They were all basically greedy people ambushed for Muhammad's hetitage. Both the sunni derivateivs and the shia ones with additional serial port. You know Jo, It's a very delicate subjects, I feel even this very small deep inside some site conversation contributes to the WWIIV. We need to be very carefull and fair in our judgements on Islam, As I said I'm not a Muslim, not a believer at all if you will and am not defending Islam. Having done my best in criticizing Islam and pinpointing it's funny-bugs which is a long interesting comic story, I concluded that it's quite easy and even full of fun to sit beck and talk these talks, but now these thoughts if not carefully shielded against radiated noise can be dangerous to peoples lives. 50 in London, and more on 9/11 then guess what 25,000 iraqi civilians and dunno thousand US soldiers lots of Afghans... Again I don't give a darn for Londoners, Afghans, Iraqis,... I mean I'm not defending any particular nation/faith. All I need say is beware of a 3rd one based on quick unfair narrowminded judgements. It's a very delicate subject. It's not the right time for blame game my friend. Joseph Hebert said:
if as reasonable people we must recognize that many Muslims do not want to kill all the infidels, then we must also recognize that they are obfuscating the truth that most do. Oh, come on, do you really belive in this? As a pioneer infidel I don't think so. Joseph Hebert said:
That’s right, most Muslims want to kill all the infidels. Why? Because that’s what Mohammed taught. If many of the few Muslims who live in our neighborhoods don’t reflect this philosophy, this belief system, that in no way changes the fact that in those parts of the world where such belief is tolerated they do. Oh, it's 4:00 in the morning and I'm too tired. Not so, Please do read/travel some more. Look at me, I'm defending Islam! Joseph Hebert said:
Witness every nation on the planet where practitioners of Islam have gained political control. There is no such thing as freedom of either speech or religion in any Muslim nation. That's right. Especially for the shia derivatives, with or without ADC. Joseph Hebert said:
I will be as friendly to everyone as I am to anyone. I know for sure:) For the negative Karma... If I hadn't decided not to use my 'voting system' I would have given you a +1 to compensate the -1s |