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02/20/06 18:57
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#110368 - That was never a topic of discussion.
Responding to: ???'s previous message
What's good or bad for the serial port (someone pointed out that it's more than just a UART)isn't germaine to the topic, is it? I don't think the baud rate, or the data format will be good or bad for the serial port(s).

It's certainly reasonable to discuss what's a clever or effective use of that resource, though.

An adjunct to the point I made in another thread, namely that the use of certain crystals in order to ensure the availability of the widest range of asynchronous baud rates was, in fact that making that choice was quite limiting.

The simple reason people don't use Mode-0 very often today is that it's been used little in the past. That was because it required too much of the CPU bandwidth to service the serial channel, but that's also no longer necessarily the case. Another reason, of course, is that they already used the UART for ASYNC communication for debugging. That's also not the only reason, but it's a contributing factor, as evidenced, even in this thread.

What's REALLY crippling, is that, in MCU's with two serial channels, the choice of one frequency has effect on the rates at which the either serial channel can operate, IF THAT FREQUENCY WAS CHOSEN FOR THE ASYNC BAUD RATES. Now, technically, I'm a cripple myself, being seen by some as an arachnid, due to the number of legs I have, so I know it's limiting, but not fatal, to be crippled. You CAN function, and quite effectively, when you're hobbled, in a sense, but it's much easier if you're not. Ruling out the use of Mode-0 is like ruling out the use of crystal frequencies other than 11.0592 MHz or its multiples. There are some times when it simply gets in the way. Yes, you can put in a 74HC595 and a 74HC597, with some other logic, drive it with whatever clock you like, and have access to the MODE-0 function. However, you can just as easily provide an external UART and use the Mode-0 capability already built into the MCU. It's just another choice.

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UART not used or UART mode 0            01/01/70 00:00      
   me neither            01/01/70 00:00      
   mode 0            01/01/70 00:00      
   Maybe you'd best go back and reread ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Well,            01/01/70 00:00      
   mode 0 totally different !            01/01/70 00:00      
      You're right, but what that means is ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Why on earth?            01/01/70 00:00      
            You've lost me here ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               SPI meaning            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Yes, I knew that, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     MODE 0 is "SPI"            01/01/70 00:00      
                        in fact            01/01/70 00:00      
               UART?            01/01/70 00:00      
               It is not about what you use.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  You give 'em what they want ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I never argued against using mode 0            01/01/70 00:00      
                        That was never a topic of discussion.            01/01/70 00:00      
                           you do not get it, do you            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Why is T2 able to do that if ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 This is getting real tiresome you keep r            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Well ... maybe you should look at one            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       neither have I            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          It's the DA15 connector.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             I have had enough vitamins            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Oh! Now I get it ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   I have said in virtually every post in t            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Async isn't the only way to do it.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Oh boy            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            What on earth is your definition            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               what in the world does that matter?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  can't have it both ways ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     I do not have illusions of grandeur and            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        OK ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           more oranges            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              It depends on where it fits            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                 Horsefeathers, there is nothing "relativ            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                    Not exactly ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                       Talking out of both sides of the mouth            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                          Consider this ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                             Just one thing, please, when stating thi            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                It's always a tradeoff ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           look forward, not backward !            01/01/70 00:00      
   Debugging            01/01/70 00:00      
      the ICEman cometh            01/01/70 00:00      
   Never mode 0            01/01/70 00:00      
      I think that's a narrow view.            01/01/70 00:00      
         what is narrow???            01/01/70 00:00      
   uart mode 0 application            01/01/70 00:00      

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