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02/21/06 15:39
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#110420 - Well ... maybe you should look at one
Responding to: ???'s previous message
I've not seen a PC without an audio codec since the early '90's. I've never seen a cellphone without one. Just what did you think that "chip" on the audio circuit is?

Mode 0 has nothing specific to do with a cellphone, except that the failure of the deisngers to use it and to use the extremely inefficient async protocol instead may indicate why cellphones are so unreliable. Async protocol wastes at least two bits per byte. Maybe that's why the entire system falls apart all the time. I've got one, but I hate 'em. They don't work when you need 'em. Mine has sat on my desk since I got it, except when I'm retained by the client who bought it for me.

TELECOM is a synchronous system. If they use async protocol, it's because they want to waste bandwidth and/or are too dumb to use synchronous protocols.

I think you need to go back and read what's been written previously. 11.0592 is fine if you have to use it. Mode 0 is a sampling mode. If you need to sample at 11.0592/12 it works fine. If you want to sample at some other frequency you have to use a different frequency. If you're using mode 0, which was not very practical with the one-clockers, you have to use an oscillator that's an appropriate multiple of the rate at which you want to sample. 11.0592 MHz is an appropriate rate at which to sample your async serial comm's in modes other than 0.

If you don't know what mode 0 is useful for, then don't use it.

Have you ever interfaced a tape drive with an MCU of any sort? In mode 0, if you sample at the right rate, you can capture the data and demodulate it in software. You can do that with floppy disks, too. The latest PC's don't even have those any longer. What if you want to read a hard-sectored 8" disk that someone desperately needs? How would you approach that problem? I can assure you, async modes won't help much.

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UART not used or UART mode 0            01/01/70 00:00      
   me neither            01/01/70 00:00      
   mode 0            01/01/70 00:00      
   Maybe you'd best go back and reread ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Well,            01/01/70 00:00      
   mode 0 totally different !            01/01/70 00:00      
      You're right, but what that means is ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Why on earth?            01/01/70 00:00      
            You've lost me here ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               SPI meaning            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Yes, I knew that, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     MODE 0 is "SPI"            01/01/70 00:00      
                        in fact            01/01/70 00:00      
               UART?            01/01/70 00:00      
               It is not about what you use.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  You give 'em what they want ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I never argued against using mode 0            01/01/70 00:00      
                        That was never a topic of discussion.            01/01/70 00:00      
                           you do not get it, do you            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Why is T2 able to do that if ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 This is getting real tiresome you keep r            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Well ... maybe you should look at one            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       neither have I            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          It's the DA15 connector.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             I have had enough vitamins            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Oh! Now I get it ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   I have said in virtually every post in t            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Async isn't the only way to do it.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Oh boy            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            What on earth is your definition            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               what in the world does that matter?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  can't have it both ways ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     I do not have illusions of grandeur and            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        OK ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           more oranges            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              It depends on where it fits            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                 Horsefeathers, there is nothing "relativ            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                    Not exactly ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                       Talking out of both sides of the mouth            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                          Consider this ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                             Just one thing, please, when stating thi            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                                It's always a tradeoff ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           look forward, not backward !            01/01/70 00:00      
   Debugging            01/01/70 00:00      
      the ICEman cometh            01/01/70 00:00      
   Never mode 0            01/01/70 00:00      
      I think that's a narrow view.            01/01/70 00:00      
         what is narrow???            01/01/70 00:00      
   uart mode 0 application            01/01/70 00:00      

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