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08/21/07 14:53
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#143455 - given a proper ground and power plane ...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Admittedly, few PCB's have this, but given a proper ground and power plane, all IC's operating from Vcc ise the same Vcc.

The MAX1232, if that happens to be your supervisor, trips at somewhere between 4.5 and 4.74 volts, typically 4.62 volts. The DS1230Y BBRAM, OTOH, uses between 4.25 volts and 4.5 volts, typically 4.37 volts as its trip-point for write-lock. The DS1230AB has the same trip point specification as the MAX1232.

However, the DS89C4x0, just as one example, detects brownout or power-failure at between 4.2 and 4.6 volts, typically 4.375 volts.

If you opt to "roll-yer-own" BBRAM subsystem, you have an even more complex problem to solve, simply in selecting a voltage to trigger the write-lock. Enforcing it is another thorny issue.

Since all these components operate "between" two trip voltages and "typically" at a specific one predicting what will happen is not so simple.

My own very preliminary and purely anecdotal observations suggest that there's plenty of room for foul-ups between the various trip voltages, regardless of what they are, and those observations, however weak they were, were made with a proper ground and power plane, and very low power-gnd noise, to ensure that all the components had the same Vcc.

BTW, the Dallas BBRAMs simply write-inhibit the part, so, if the firmware that does the writes is smart enough to verify that its writing has been properly recorded by reading it, it will behave appropriately when it has not. Eventually, the MCU's power-fail interrupt will take over.

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the mysterious data loss in BBRAM            01/01/70 00:00      
   I just used the Dallas parts!            01/01/70 00:00      
      I've heard only praises to the Dallas chips, too..            01/01/70 00:00      
         I agree re Dallas            01/01/70 00:00      
            another method            01/01/70 00:00      
               I don't understand            01/01/70 00:00      
                  nah            01/01/70 00:00      
                     ... I just would expect that..            01/01/70 00:00      
                        You are absolutely right, of course!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     You should dig deep when posting here!            01/01/70 00:00      
                        nope, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           But, what if your post is just wrong??            01/01/70 00:00      
                              well, it was not            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 What has this to do with Jan's application??            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    everything            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       When you use a second supervisor chip, ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          it does - IF            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             For occasional writes you have the FLASH            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                this depends on application, too            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   But why??            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      early power fail interrupt .....            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         this is the purpose of reset            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Sadly, there's no guarantee it does that!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               ensure the same voltage on mcu and RAM/supervis            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               yeah, sure            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            OK, once more            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               given a proper ground and power plane ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         I have to agree ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             this depends on application            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             There's room for doubt ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       thanks            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 sounds reasonably            01/01/70 00:00      
   Pull-downs at inputs of battery powered CMOS-RAM            01/01/70 00:00      
      Observation technique affects the outcome            01/01/70 00:00      
         Some comments and two questions            01/01/70 00:00      
   Designing a pre-test environment ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Eager to hear the results!            01/01/70 00:00      
         You'll have to be patient ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Has anyone tried THIS?            01/01/70 00:00      

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