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06/16/08 00:35
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#155936 - Well ... this normally doesn't work so well, but
Responding to: ???'s previous message
It does in cases such as this. The goings-on immediately surrounding the MAX232 (the original, and not the later "A" version and beyond) really makes a lot of noise. Two things are to be considered. One is that the MAX232 switches at a frequency far from the band in which the MCU makes its noise, and the other is that it is quite a bit noisier than the MCU, in terms of current. This shows up if one puts a low-value resistor in the Vcc path. In the case of the MAX232, it's helpful to have that same effect at Gnd, as it motivates/enables the Vcc-to-Gnd cap to do its work within the MAX232's domain yet not impact the current on Vcc so much. That causes the noise current to circulate through the cap instead of through the entire power net. Normally, it would cause offset spikes in the GND line that would make Gnd a really nebulous concept, but in this case, with a resistance half of what it is in the Vcc line, or less, it keeps the current noise in that loop. Signal in or out doesn't seem to be degraded in any way.

I'd suggest you try it if you have nothing better to do. I was amazed!

The need for such precautions goes away with the MAX232A and later. I guess the currents being switched are much lower.

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TopicAuthorDate
Resistance in the supply rails            01/01/70 00:00      
   inductor instead of resistor            01/01/70 00:00      
      yes, and no and I think the theory is flawed            01/01/70 00:00      
         Spice?            01/01/70 00:00      
            That would probably help, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      That's what I said            01/01/70 00:00      
         Not in the gnd path!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Well ... this normally doesn't work so well, but            01/01/70 00:00      
   If this scheme is used it would also be well to...            01/01/70 00:00      
      This does increase the supply impedance            01/01/70 00:00      
         please clarify with a simple schematic            01/01/70 00:00      
            the bypass cap\'s always go between Vcc and Gnd            01/01/70 00:00      
               Which Vcc, Which gnd            01/01/70 00:00      
                  There's a cap on either side of the resistor(s)            01/01/70 00:00      
                     is it            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Not quite ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           don't use a resistor in the GND connection            01/01/70 00:00      
                              What >good reason< could this be??            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 What good reason could this be??            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Using a resistor in the GND connection...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              How would that come to pass?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Why should I insert a resistor in the GND line??            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Seldom andonly if it is of benefit            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       No disagree, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          The regulator can't pull the Vcc down            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             This has nothing to do with imbalance!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Kai, I don\'t disagree ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Again, do not add any impedance in the GND line            01/01/70 00:00      
   tantalum capacitor across the MAX232 power pins            01/01/70 00:00      
      It's a matter of careful choice            01/01/70 00:00      
      Yes they does            01/01/70 00:00      

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