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06/23/08 04:54
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#156113 - The regulator can't pull the Vcc down
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Since most voltage regulators, but not LDO's, are simply emitter followers on darlington input stages, they can respond fairly quickly to low-output caused by changing circuit conditions, but they can't pull the voltage down.

Now, since the same voltage is flowing out the GND pin via S3 as flows in via S1, doesn't the current in GND via C4 alter this balance? Current is being dumped from C2 to C4. There is current in RL on V- as also in C4. Divergent timing throughout the chip can also shift the phase between what's happening on the charge pump and what's happening on the inverter. If all the cap's and switches were perfectly ideal, this wouldn't be, but they aren't.

If you have a nicely designed circuit as the one illustrated, on a board with a contiguous GND plane, one on which the narrowest Vcc or GND trace is 10 cm wide, it's very unlikely any increased impedance between the global GND net and MAX232 GND will be helpful, and certainly not necessary. That's particularly true if you use those nice surge-stopping ferrites.

If one hasn't got those, however, and wants to know, right now, and not tomorrow, if the MAX232 noise is what's causing the circuit to go wild, or simply not go, or whatever, a 5-10 ohm R in the GND will tell. 22 Ohms in the Vcc will probably help quite a bit by itself to limit that noise.

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TopicAuthorDate
Resistance in the supply rails            01/01/70 00:00      
   inductor instead of resistor            01/01/70 00:00      
      yes, and no and I think the theory is flawed            01/01/70 00:00      
         Spice?            01/01/70 00:00      
            That would probably help, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      That's what I said            01/01/70 00:00      
         Not in the gnd path!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Well ... this normally doesn't work so well, but            01/01/70 00:00      
   If this scheme is used it would also be well to...            01/01/70 00:00      
      This does increase the supply impedance            01/01/70 00:00      
         please clarify with a simple schematic            01/01/70 00:00      
            the bypass cap\'s always go between Vcc and Gnd            01/01/70 00:00      
               Which Vcc, Which gnd            01/01/70 00:00      
                  There's a cap on either side of the resistor(s)            01/01/70 00:00      
                     is it            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Not quite ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           don't use a resistor in the GND connection            01/01/70 00:00      
                              What >good reason< could this be??            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 What good reason could this be??            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Using a resistor in the GND connection...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              How would that come to pass?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Why should I insert a resistor in the GND line??            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Seldom andonly if it is of benefit            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       No disagree, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          The regulator can't pull the Vcc down            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             This has nothing to do with imbalance!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Kai, I don\'t disagree ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Again, do not add any impedance in the GND line            01/01/70 00:00      
   tantalum capacitor across the MAX232 power pins            01/01/70 00:00      
      It's a matter of careful choice            01/01/70 00:00      
      Yes they does            01/01/70 00:00      

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