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05/10/06 07:16
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 		 #115920 - RS232 without -V explained
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Oleg Sergeev said:
hi,

Tony Gelonese said:
A simple communications setup is to use 2 npn transistors as switches and invert the signal from the micro to the PC and the signal from the PC to the micro.

...and where does negative voltage come from? You have provide at least +/- 3V.

Regards,
Oleg


Hi Oleg,
It seem that several members are confused about why RS232 which uses only 0 to +5V and no negative voltage, works with modern computer equipment. My apologies for leaving out information that I thought was common knowledge, especially amongst the so called 'gurus' who delight in making unhelpful criticisms.

The following site explains RS232 quite well:

http://www.arcelect.com/rs232.htm

And I quote :

".... Modern computer equipment ignores the negative level and accepts a zero voltage level as the "OFF" state. In fact, the "ON" state may be achieved with lesser positive potential. This means circuits powered by 5 VDC are capable of driving RS232 circuits directly, however, the overall range that the RS232 signal may be transmitted/received may be dramatically reduced."


PS
Should any member not be able to source MAX232 ICs in through hole or surface mount, please contact me, as I have stocks of those here in Adelaide, South Australia. I also have stocks of 1488 and 1489 receiver/drivers.

Regards,
Tony


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hardware setup of AT89C51ED2            01/01/70 00:00      
   RTFM            01/01/70 00:00      
   board's setup            01/01/70 00:00      
   has been discussed            01/01/70 00:00      
   AT89C51ED2 in ISP            01/01/70 00:00      
      no 'unique' schematc needed            01/01/70 00:00      
      thanks joel            01/01/70 00:00      
    I sent for your email the schematic!            01/01/70 00:00      
   FLIP            01/01/70 00:00      
      sample code            01/01/70 00:00      
         program in assembly?            01/01/70 00:00      
            sample code in c            01/01/70 00:00      
   ISP without MAX232            01/01/70 00:00      
      that old gem again            01/01/70 00:00      
         A gem is always a gem            01/01/70 00:00      
            it does not help that you respond s..t a            01/01/70 00:00      
      Re: ISP without MAX232            01/01/70 00:00      
         To stop an urban legend ... seems imposs            01/01/70 00:00      
            just for the sake of argument ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               very clearly stated            01/01/70 00:00      
                  That's GREEN cheese!            01/01/70 00:00      
            from old time...            01/01/70 00:00      
               there you go            01/01/70 00:00      
               How about the 1488/1489?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  this all started with            01/01/70 00:00      
                     well, I read that, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        but            01/01/70 00:00      
                           the standard still deserves a look            01/01/70 00:00      
            reminds me of the burden cap argument.            01/01/70 00:00      
         RS232 without -V explained            01/01/70 00:00      
            There is two ways to do things: by desig            01/01/70 00:00      
            Do never do            01/01/70 00:00      
               Answer in shematic of your post            01/01/70 00:00      
            I wouldn't rely on that ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               true, if you have no noise margin worrie            01/01/70 00:00      
                  What??? You imply the 1489 won't work?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     what is a 1489? and what is the issue            01/01/70 00:00      
                        it's what we used before the Max-xxxx            01/01/70 00:00      
                           who said 'require'?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I think you're dreaming.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 yes, I 'dream' noise immunity            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    and you're prepared to show ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       I can't            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Try this link            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             I hope the datasheet is wrong            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Nope, it isn't wrong ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Another gem? Well explained!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      so, now the crap is "justifued"            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   hy do you keep beating a desd horse            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      I'm not the one doing the beating            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         I never said that            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Hysteresis, ... sure ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Interesting ...            01/01/70 00:00      
          Just wait, next time it may very            01/01/70 00:00      
   you keep hammering 'needed'            01/01/70 00:00      
      No, in fact you haven't            01/01/70 00:00      
         standard            01/01/70 00:00      
            Of course I adhere to standards            01/01/70 00:00      
               I did not make the standard            01/01/70 00:00      
                  As long as you're arguing with me ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I directly quoted you, so who started th            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Erik, you need some practice            01/01/70 00:00      
                           That should settle it, you get your chip            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Chill brothers            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Time for a rendezvous            01/01/70 00:00      
                           to the two above            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Where's the science?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 science            01/01/70 00:00      

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