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07/23/07 17:19
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#142190 - now you really should spell out what you mean
Responding to: ???'s previous message
There's NO WAY you can build an RS-232-compliant interface with resistors alone and no negative supply. If you know a trick that "works" then you should spell it out, particularly if you know it doesn't work. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, believes that you can interface at RS232 levels without a negative supply. It just happens that the MAX232 generates its own, rather noisy, negative and positive supplies for the interface.

You need a negative supply, as the levels are minally 3 volts to either side of signal common. There are lots of circuits other than MAX232 types that produce those levels just fine, given the proper supply. Lots of applications include both positive and negative supplies. Maxim even makes a component (DS275) that steals the negative supply from the serial port signals to the terminal/host.

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Loading a hex file.            01/01/70 00:00      
   more info? a few ideas....            01/01/70 00:00      
      loading hex files.            01/01/70 00:00      
   tried a bunch of stuff to no avail...            01/01/70 00:00      
      little 'A's            01/01/70 00:00      
   giving up the ghost :)            01/01/70 00:00      
      SiLabs, et al            01/01/70 00:00      
         I'll second that            01/01/70 00:00      
            I'll second the second and a bit of info            01/01/70 00:00      
               not entirely helpful ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  How can it be not entirely helpful            01/01/70 00:00      
                     IIRC, DigiKey doesn't give the gender either.            01/01/70 00:00      
                        it's male            01/01/70 00:00      
                           thanks!            01/01/70 00:00      
         Nonsense! Let him do what he wants!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Lost the Thread!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Is it what he actually wants?            01/01/70 00:00      
               He didn't indicate a requirement, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Did he actually choose it?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Well ... just because YOU don't like it ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  HOGWASH            01/01/70 00:00      
                     what does ISP have to do with amount of I/O            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Have you thought about what you said?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        it STILL has absolutely nothing to do with ISP.            01/01/70 00:00      
                           those are red herrings, Erik            01/01/70 00:00      
                              forget red herrings            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 the mention of ISP is the \"red herring\"            01/01/70 00:00      
   Can you do this?            01/01/70 00:00      
   thanks guys...            01/01/70 00:00      
      looks like            01/01/70 00:00      
         Maybe you should spell out what you mean...            01/01/70 00:00      
            two resitors, 3 resistors ....            01/01/70 00:00      
               now you really should spell out what you mean            01/01/70 00:00      
                  please note I said \"works\" not works.            01/01/70 00:00      
                     don't start another "food fight"            01/01/70 00:00      
                        did you see the e-mail I sent you?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           No ... I haven't received it            01/01/70 00:00      
                              It very often comes up in the 47th response            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 What do you mean by that?            01/01/70 00:00      

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