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02/08/08 08:33
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#150457 - How much noise?
Responding to: ???'s previous message
With no information about your circuit, it's necessary to guess.

Several things can be at work here. (1) is your oscilloscope probe properly grounded to the ground of your circuit?

(2) Have you got lots (one per power and one per GND of each IC and located within 1 mm of each connection) of small (10nF) bypass capacitors from power to gnd and one larger one ~4.7 uF tanatalum at the power entry to your board?

(3) Has your board got a good, low impedance ground plane throughout?

(4) Has your power supply got the capacity to provide at least 10x the maximal current your circuit demands?

(5) Have you tried putting a small (10 ohms) resistor in series with the power supply, before the entry capacitor?

If your power supply has more than 5 mV of random noise or of ripple with no load, it's too noisy!

If your power supply has more than 25 mV of random noise or or ripple with 10x full load, it's too noisy!

Keep the ground strap on the oscilloscope probe short (10 CM or less). Use the shortest probe (e.g. 1.5 meter) you can practically use, and shield it from external EMI. I often use aluminum foil, grounded to earth to help with this.

Be sure your power supply wires are large, not as thick as a pencil, but thicker than a pencil lead, (1.5 mm).

Use a carefully regulated, well-filtered linear supply. Switchers seldom have low enough ripple (<5mV at no load, <25 mV at full rated load).

Once you figure out what the source of the offending noise is, you can set about to remedy it. Remember to keep the bypass capacitors close to the IC power connections. If power is routed through individual wires, be sure the power and GND wires are at least 1/2 mm in diameter.

Good luck and happy hunting!

RE




List of 58 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
problems with edge triggering and noise            01/01/70 00:00      
   5v regulator,capacitors - elko and creamic            01/01/70 00:00      
      not likely            01/01/70 00:00      
         not true!            01/01/70 00:00      
   How much noise?            01/01/70 00:00      
      using a 78L05 voltage regulator IC with 220 uF cap            01/01/70 00:00      
         be conservative ... for now ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   First things first - Begin at the beginning            01/01/70 00:00      
      yes i agree..            01/01/70 00:00      
         photo            01/01/70 00:00      
            Well done            01/01/70 00:00      
               the "backside" :)            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Use Solder Wick as Braid            01/01/70 00:00      
                     is this ok?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        i found this strange looking woven wire?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Perf Board Types            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Pad-Per-Hole PTH            01/01/70 00:00      
                     How much ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        This Much            01/01/70 00:00      
                           other boards            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Here\'s what I prefer.            01/01/70 00:00      
            it looks quite acceptable, with caveats ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      How much noise!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Regulator problems..            01/01/70 00:00      
      sorry wrong measurements            01/01/70 00:00      
         Actuall, you were right, in part ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Different caps..            01/01/70 00:00      
      one more issue            01/01/70 00:00      
         7805            01/01/70 00:00      
            Swop the pins around !!            01/01/70 00:00      
            agreed            01/01/70 00:00      
               what about switching noise and ripple?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  to RE            01/01/70 00:00      
                     This is a real disappointment            01/01/70 00:00      
                        numbers            01/01/70 00:00      
                           that's not what was asked ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              yes and no            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I've got lots of those ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    not mostly - only and who cares            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       It's what's before the filter that matters!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          enough            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             not exactly ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                as stated before            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Nonsense!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      you can't stop, can you            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         I love to see Erik backpedal            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Better start giving a hoot            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               as stated so often, I DO give a hoot ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  as stated so often, I DO give a hoot ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     I think you are right            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        I too favour looking inside black boxes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           blindly?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              Erik ... you\'re headed for a disappointment            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                 If you accept datasheet blindly I cant help            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                    you do not get the point, do you?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     not exactly            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        I never made any such claim            01/01/70 00:00      
         gee ... that's a negative regulator ...            01/01/70 00:00      

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