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02/13/08 20:57
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#150768 - not exactly
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Ap Charles said:
Erik Malund said:
... just not about the component, but about the circuit.

If I happen to use a noisy switcher that I can filter to a "better than good enough" performance, what is the problem?

THAT, Richard, you have never answered!!!

If I happen to use a uC that can not drive my circuit, and insert a buffer, what is the problem?

If I happen to use a 3V3 uC to drive a 5V circuit, and insert a level shifter, what is the problem?

Erik



I wasted my 1/2 hour reading all above , what I could figure out is RE is in Favour of knowing what is inside the BLACK BOX and Malund doesnt care .


AP


I don't care very much what's inside the black-box component, either. I do care what goes in and what comes out, though. More often than not, the spec's say one thing, and reality tells me another.

What I believe and "believe-in" is, in the words of the late president Ronald Reagan, "trust, but verify."

Many fancy marketing brochures make claims about a product, which, because they're not understood by the person writing the brochure, or the first page of the datasheet, are completely false, and, in some cases, absolutely unattainable.

Just like Erik's claim that his 11-cent filter can filter out anything, regardless of power or frequency, that one might encounter at the output of an otherwise unknown switcher, I just don't believe 'em until I see it myself.

I asked Erik about what he's observed coming out of his DC-DC converter module, and he failed to answer, probably because he's never looked. If he can get by with that, I guess it's OK with me. It's just like his other "observations" that he's obviously never bother to make. If he can fool his employer enough to earn a living that way, fine. At least the taxpayers don't have to support him.

What Erik and I often argue is the differences in our approach. I don't know what he does, but I know I have to analyze before I can design. He seemingly doesn't have to do that. As a consequence, he probably arrives at a solution, in those cases wherein he actually does arrive at one, more quickly than I would.

We all have to allow for the fact that we are different, possess different world-views, and approach problem solving in different ways. I do what I do because my circumstances demand it. I have to justify and otherwise document everything I do, as I'm generally an outsider to the client firms I support.

RE


List of 58 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
problems with edge triggering and noise            01/01/70 00:00      
   5v regulator,capacitors - elko and creamic            01/01/70 00:00      
      not likely            01/01/70 00:00      
         not true!            01/01/70 00:00      
   How much noise?            01/01/70 00:00      
      using a 78L05 voltage regulator IC with 220 uF cap            01/01/70 00:00      
         be conservative ... for now ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   First things first - Begin at the beginning            01/01/70 00:00      
      yes i agree..            01/01/70 00:00      
         photo            01/01/70 00:00      
            Well done            01/01/70 00:00      
               the "backside" :)            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Use Solder Wick as Braid            01/01/70 00:00      
                     is this ok?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        i found this strange looking woven wire?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Perf Board Types            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Pad-Per-Hole PTH            01/01/70 00:00      
                     How much ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        This Much            01/01/70 00:00      
                           other boards            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Here\'s what I prefer.            01/01/70 00:00      
            it looks quite acceptable, with caveats ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      How much noise!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Regulator problems..            01/01/70 00:00      
      sorry wrong measurements            01/01/70 00:00      
         Actuall, you were right, in part ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Different caps..            01/01/70 00:00      
      one more issue            01/01/70 00:00      
         7805            01/01/70 00:00      
            Swop the pins around !!            01/01/70 00:00      
            agreed            01/01/70 00:00      
               what about switching noise and ripple?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  to RE            01/01/70 00:00      
                     This is a real disappointment            01/01/70 00:00      
                        numbers            01/01/70 00:00      
                           that's not what was asked ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              yes and no            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I've got lots of those ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    not mostly - only and who cares            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       It's what's before the filter that matters!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          enough            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             not exactly ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                as stated before            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Nonsense!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      you can't stop, can you            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         I love to see Erik backpedal            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Better start giving a hoot            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               as stated so often, I DO give a hoot ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  as stated so often, I DO give a hoot ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     I think you are right            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        I too favour looking inside black boxes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           blindly?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              Erik ... you\'re headed for a disappointment            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                 If you accept datasheet blindly I cant help            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                    you do not get the point, do you?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     not exactly            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        I never made any such claim            01/01/70 00:00      
         gee ... that's a negative regulator ...            01/01/70 00:00      

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