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02/14/08 14:00
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#150813 - you do not get the point, do you?
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Malund still the point is missing if a switcher is not upto its mark and you try to filter the crap , it has a potential to harm switcher electronics in the first place .This would result in what is know as a failed powersupply , see for yourself how the Damn TINY/TOP crap switches perform and fail .
are you going formal?, I'll still refer to you as Richard. Anyhow, you do not get the point, do you?
1) We design a filter according to the switchers datasheet and then verify the combo.
2) we DO verify the result of the combo
3) with the filter designed according to the switchers datasheet, there is no risk of "harming switcher electronics" (see 4))
4) we do not use "crap switchers"
5) if the combo had not performed "better than good enough", we would have gone into detail.


Erik Malund said:
I freely admit that I 'blindly' trust that my uC will execute the instructions as stated in the bible/datasheet. I also freely admit that I 'blindly' trust that my uC will be capable of delivering Voh min at Ioh max.
Richard replied:
I freely admit I leave the datasheet as well as the component in which the term 'TBD' is mentioned . I dont trust datasheets blindly.

this begs the question: "how do yo design?" if you do not trust the datsheet in the design phase how do you ever get to a point where you can do your "measure' 'analyze' or whatever.

Of course, anything has to be verified, the only point where we differ is that I say "if a signal is solid, it does not matter if it is solid because of hard drive or low load" where you say "I need to know WHY it is solid". Of course, the drive has been designed to match the load.

You, evidently, am not in any hurry to get stuff out the door, I am satisfied if things are "better than good enough" and have no interest in knowing why it is so.

As an example I will not accept "5V tolerant" if I interface between 3V3 and 5V I always use a level converter because it is "better than good enough" even if accepting the 5V tolerant might be "good enough".

Of course, the fact that my stuff represent a very small part of the "system cost" gives me some latitude to use a 33 cent component that might not be needed in order to make my design "better than good enough".
Were I to consider using "the Damn TINY/TOP crap switches" in order to save a dollar or two, many thing would change.

one final note:
we are international and do not have a lot of serveice reps (our stuff is "better than good enough") and thus most warranty repair involves travel etc. Thus our average cost for a warranty repair exceed $500 and to save on warranty repairs I can spend quite a few $0.33 components to make things "better than good enough" and still come out ahead.

Erik

List of 58 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
problems with edge triggering and noise            01/01/70 00:00      
   5v regulator,capacitors - elko and creamic            01/01/70 00:00      
      not likely            01/01/70 00:00      
         not true!            01/01/70 00:00      
   How much noise?            01/01/70 00:00      
      using a 78L05 voltage regulator IC with 220 uF cap            01/01/70 00:00      
         be conservative ... for now ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   First things first - Begin at the beginning            01/01/70 00:00      
      yes i agree..            01/01/70 00:00      
         photo            01/01/70 00:00      
            Well done            01/01/70 00:00      
               the "backside" :)            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Use Solder Wick as Braid            01/01/70 00:00      
                     is this ok?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        i found this strange looking woven wire?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Perf Board Types            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Pad-Per-Hole PTH            01/01/70 00:00      
                     How much ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        This Much            01/01/70 00:00      
                           other boards            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Here\'s what I prefer.            01/01/70 00:00      
            it looks quite acceptable, with caveats ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      How much noise!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Regulator problems..            01/01/70 00:00      
      sorry wrong measurements            01/01/70 00:00      
         Actuall, you were right, in part ...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Different caps..            01/01/70 00:00      
      one more issue            01/01/70 00:00      
         7805            01/01/70 00:00      
            Swop the pins around !!            01/01/70 00:00      
            agreed            01/01/70 00:00      
               what about switching noise and ripple?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  to RE            01/01/70 00:00      
                     This is a real disappointment            01/01/70 00:00      
                        numbers            01/01/70 00:00      
                           that's not what was asked ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              yes and no            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I've got lots of those ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    not mostly - only and who cares            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       It's what's before the filter that matters!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          enough            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             not exactly ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                as stated before            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Nonsense!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      you can't stop, can you            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         I love to see Erik backpedal            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Better start giving a hoot            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               as stated so often, I DO give a hoot ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  as stated so often, I DO give a hoot ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     I think you are right            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        I too favour looking inside black boxes            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                           blindly?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                              Erik ... you\'re headed for a disappointment            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                 If you accept datasheet blindly I cant help            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                                    you do not get the point, do you?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     not exactly            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                        I never made any such claim            01/01/70 00:00      
         gee ... that's a negative regulator ...            01/01/70 00:00      

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