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 		 #157057 - you are ignoring \'the standard\' and the fast
Responding to: ???'s previous message
an assembler - Metalink or Keil
a C compiler - Keil
the fast links to "the bible" without downloading the datasheets for outdated chips which is 2/3 of what you get using Jons reference and takes 'a day' to download on a dial-up are:
Chapter 1 - 80C51 Family Architecture:
http://www.nxp.com/acrobat_d...ARCH_1.pdf

Chapter 2 - 80C51 Family Programmer’s Guide and Instruction Set:
http://www.nxp.com/acrobat_d...UIDE_1.pdf

Chapter 3 - 80C51 Family Hardware Description:
http://www.nxp.com/acrobat_d...WARE_1.pdf

Erik

List of 73 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
ATMEL AT89C52 Help?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Info            01/01/70 00:00      
      you are ignoring \'the standard\' and the fast            01/01/70 00:00      
         Not ignoring            01/01/70 00:00      
            it does not, but            01/01/70 00:00      
      Anyone want to write simple program for chip for u            01/01/70 00:00      
         \"a few hours\"???            01/01/70 00:00      
         No as simple as you may think            01/01/70 00:00      
            reply            01/01/70 00:00      
               Let's start at the beginning            01/01/70 00:00      
   A Serial Flash chip would be easier            01/01/70 00:00      
   Specification?            01/01/70 00:00      
      what about a "community project"?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Has anyone offered complete C++ for 805x?            01/01/70 00:00      
            yes??            01/01/70 00:00      
               Subset            01/01/70 00:00      
            Would Object Oriented Techniques Be Of Advantage?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Reply specs.            01/01/70 00:00      
         More specifications (and less)            01/01/70 00:00      
            Additional specs. Can you do it?            01/01/70 00:00      
               16 temperature inputs, relay outputs.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  problem is in software            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Lets first choose a chip.            01/01/70 00:00      
                        how many are you going to make?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        It is not just a voltage            01/01/70 00:00      
                  We want to keep it simple            01/01/70 00:00      
         MicroManagement ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Narrowing it down            01/01/70 00:00      
            More specs again            01/01/70 00:00      
               ATMEL AT89C52            01/01/70 00:00      
                  More hw info needed            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Ok. thanks            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Don't assume. Don't "let's say". Go specific!            01/01/70 00:00      
                  dtraight from the horses mouth            01/01/70 00:00      
               Be Specific            01/01/70 00:00      
            shameless self-advertisement            01/01/70 00:00      
               Hi Jan, some user guide?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  documentation... is always a pain... ;-)            01/01/70 00:00      
                     sometimes "hobby projects" are better off            01/01/70 00:00      
                        what's that?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           a techwriter is            01/01/70 00:00      
                              oh I see            01/01/70 00:00      
                           The REAL issue with documentation            01/01/70 00:00      
                              ever done a hobby project, Richard? ;-)            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 not since the '60's ... well, maybe the '70's            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    well, IMHO, hobby projects are exactly the opposite...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       remember the reference to Ultramon51?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          the reward of hobbyist            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             the hobbyist does not need formal documents            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                hobbyist????            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             hobbyist - beginner            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                It's a tradeoff            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Target goals and check lists            01/01/70 00:00      
                              naah            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Smaller companies have to run fast            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    the sad thing is            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Progress            01/01/70 00:00      
                     program interpreted from i2c eeprom?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        possible, but why?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Waiting for first proposal for whole project?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Waiting for complete and precise requirements            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Lets keep on track.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    A joke?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Well said            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       FOR SHAME !!!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Taunting?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          You asked            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          There are AND gates that might work            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Posible            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Well ... depending on the relay ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Useful for others?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Off track? Not at all! Tell us what you want ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   shematic 1            01/01/70 00:00      

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