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 		 #103820 - flying blind?
Responding to: ???'s previous message
As for the on-chip debug aids, I think it's most valuable for the beginner to learn how things work without such features before becoming entangled in the details associated with an ICE, or other debug aids not directly supported within the architecture.

Even a simulator is "not directly supported within the architecture". Thus you suggest absototally no debugging aids.

Without any debugging aid the poor sod will be flying blind.

If you "allow" a simulator, then why not an ICE, there is no dfference in operating them.

I would consider the so called "monitor debugging" the worst possible scenario.

Erik


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8051/8052 development boards for newbies            01/01/70 00:00      
   SiLabs            01/01/70 00:00      
   80c552 board from Tecel, Inc.            01/01/70 00:00      
      ROM Monitor?            01/01/70 00:00      
      uPSD3200            01/01/70 00:00      
         uPSD 32xx            01/01/70 00:00      
            prjc board            01/01/70 00:00      
               I suggest SILabs f12x devboard            01/01/70 00:00      
                  SiLabs f12x            01/01/70 00:00      
                     yes            01/01/70 00:00      
               PJRC            01/01/70 00:00      
   8052.com SBC            01/01/70 00:00      
      no offense, but since the 8052 SBC does            01/01/70 00:00      
         Counterpoint            01/01/70 00:00      
            I have always either worked alone or for            01/01/70 00:00      
         ICE?            01/01/70 00:00      
   The ADuC814 board in the store            01/01/70 00:00      
      clarifications..(SiLabs f12x dev. board)            01/01/70 00:00      
         bible time            01/01/70 00:00      
            why not?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Not entirely correct            01/01/70 00:00      
               yes, but            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Limitations of SiLabs            01/01/70 00:00      
                     A very welcome "limitation", it allow th            01/01/70 00:00      
                        SRAM is fast            01/01/70 00:00      
                           WGASA            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Maybe that's not all needed ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        flying blind?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           monitor vs. quasiICE            01/01/70 00:00      
                              monitor debugging            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 on monitors etc.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    intrusive tools are worse than none            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Depends            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          I do not know, but if code is volatile,            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             That's what I've heard            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       No such thing as non-intrusive            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          thanks            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             single stepping, breakpoints and ICE            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Correct, but not that far from it            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   ICE is different from "real life"            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      breakpoints            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      That is exactly why they have JTAG debug            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Personally, my approach...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      the problem with dumps            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Perhaps            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            that is usually my case            01/01/70 00:00      
   SuperSet of SiLabs F12x board available            01/01/70 00:00      
      praveen            01/01/70 00:00      
         SuperSet of SiLabs F12x board available            01/01/70 00:00      
            how do you do that?            01/01/70 00:00      

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