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11/18/05 10:13
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 		 #103878 - single stepping, breakpoints and ICE
Responding to: ???'s previous message
My original question spawned a discussion about the use of an ICE for a beginner. I chose a board that has one. I have been working on a DSP and did some emulation work using single stepping, breakpoints etc. I think I can relate that experience to my new board.

Well, all of the mentioned tools - ICE, quasi-ICE (*), monitors and simulators - support single stepping, breakpoints (of some sort) and a "view into the guts". The difference is in the "intrusiveness", or in other words, how close the tool is to the "real stuff" (in each aspect, software, hardware, interfacing, mechanical etc.). Moreover, true ICEs can have trace memories storing events and states during runtime (simulators can have them, too; they can even "step back"; however, they are the farthest from the "real stuff").

Please note, the SiLabs is not a full-blown ICE; it's what I (for lack of better term - suggest) called here quasi-ICE.

Jan Waclawek

(*) on-chip support for debugging with some serial interface, JTAG and similar

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TopicAuthorDate
8051/8052 development boards for newbies            01/01/70 00:00      
   SiLabs            01/01/70 00:00      
   80c552 board from Tecel, Inc.            01/01/70 00:00      
      ROM Monitor?            01/01/70 00:00      
      uPSD3200            01/01/70 00:00      
         uPSD 32xx            01/01/70 00:00      
            prjc board            01/01/70 00:00      
               I suggest SILabs f12x devboard            01/01/70 00:00      
                  SiLabs f12x            01/01/70 00:00      
                     yes            01/01/70 00:00      
               PJRC            01/01/70 00:00      
   8052.com SBC            01/01/70 00:00      
      no offense, but since the 8052 SBC does            01/01/70 00:00      
         Counterpoint            01/01/70 00:00      
            I have always either worked alone or for            01/01/70 00:00      
         ICE?            01/01/70 00:00      
   The ADuC814 board in the store            01/01/70 00:00      
      clarifications..(SiLabs f12x dev. board)            01/01/70 00:00      
         bible time            01/01/70 00:00      
            why not?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Not entirely correct            01/01/70 00:00      
               yes, but            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Limitations of SiLabs            01/01/70 00:00      
                     A very welcome "limitation", it allow th            01/01/70 00:00      
                        SRAM is fast            01/01/70 00:00      
                           WGASA            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Maybe that's not all needed ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        flying blind?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           monitor vs. quasiICE            01/01/70 00:00      
                              monitor debugging            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 on monitors etc.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    intrusive tools are worse than none            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Depends            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          I do not know, but if code is volatile,            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             That's what I've heard            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       No such thing as non-intrusive            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          thanks            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             single stepping, breakpoints and ICE            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Correct, but not that far from it            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   ICE is different from "real life"            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      breakpoints            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      That is exactly why they have JTAG debug            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Personally, my approach...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      the problem with dumps            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Perhaps            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            that is usually my case            01/01/70 00:00      
   SuperSet of SiLabs F12x board available            01/01/70 00:00      
      praveen            01/01/70 00:00      
         SuperSet of SiLabs F12x board available            01/01/70 00:00      
            how do you do that?            01/01/70 00:00      

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