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07/20/06 17:56
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#120694 - Yes ... but ... and it's a big BUT ...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
There's still a large class of problems that can be addressed with a solution of this type. The problem, for example, of needing a programmer to put the code inside the MCU. While those of us fortunate enough to live in western Europe or in the U.S. or in OZ, can probably afford to buy a programer for each and every variant we settle on for our application(s), there are lots of folks, particularly newbies and students in the developing world, who need to spend their resources on other things, like food and rent, and books and tuition.

If they build a circuit, it's painful because the first have to get the materials. Consequently, they don't buy materials separately for each potential application, but, rather, they try to do things in a way that will help solve a number of problems. Their instructors try to assign construction problems that will meet the needs of the majority of the remaining assignments in their courses, rather than doing as those in the U.S. often do, assuming all their students have an infinite reserve of cash. They assign homework based on the application circuit in the textbook, which uses an old i8032 and a 2764 and a 6264 along with a little "family" logic, since they have an old Data I/O model 29B in the lab, and that can be used to program the 2764's.

Now, is this optimal? Of course not, but it CAN work, and if it does, a good bit of learning about MCU application can be learned from it. Would you want someone to follow the same approach in a commercial setting? Certainly not! Nonetheless, they have to start with something.

So, is it worth it? Well, for educational purposes, I'd say absolutely, "YES!"

BTW, I'd point out, also, that many of the SBC's listed on this site do, in fact, include an 8255 or two, suggesting that they're not totally useless yet.

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interfacing 8155            01/01/70 00:00      
   First step            01/01/70 00:00      
      what IS 8155?            01/01/70 00:00      
         a RIOT            01/01/70 00:00      
            I just had a look            01/01/70 00:00      
               It is older,            01/01/70 00:00      
               it can SEEM to you all you like, but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  It is NMOS            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Yes, it's NMOS, but that's no problem            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Also in CMOS            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Waferscale PSM, uPSD            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Proud to be a dummy from time to time...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     \'help\' and \'help\'            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Sadly, one can't tell the difference            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Old man's rant!            01/01/70 00:00      
                           not all, but most            01/01/70 00:00      
                           True            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I can't sit back anymore            01/01/70 00:00      
                           advice that do not coddle you you should try to ge            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Every Enginner            01/01/70 00:00      
                           It's the same old thing ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              communication            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 The communication problem's yours, too            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I did, several times, and in all cases (s)he was            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Well, your boss was clearly a moron            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    1.000.000 miles off target            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Try Google ... it\\\'s straighten you out            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          I'd be that anyway            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Nevertheless, you've no business in this case            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                if the OP is on the road to perdition or the road            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       That's one mile, to great precision.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          based on which side of 'the pond' you write to.            01/01/70 00:00      
                  in fact ther is/was            01/01/70 00:00      
      elaboration            01/01/70 00:00      
         code            01/01/70 00:00      
            you're going to get into trouble            01/01/70 00:00      
         Erik, why do you always do this?            01/01/70 00:00      
            answered in my other responses today            01/01/70 00:00      
               Isn't it obvious?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Here is an issue: if, when questioned on the choic            01/01/70 00:00      
   It begs the question            01/01/70 00:00      
   PLZ SEE THIS            01/01/70 00:00      
      DON'T SHOUT!            01/01/70 00:00      
         what dont shout???            01/01/70 00:00      
            ALL CAPS = Shouting            01/01/70 00:00      
               but i tried with memory mapped            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Well I'm confused!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     If you know the history ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  You're still guessing            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Clearly, more information is needed!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     How to post schematics & code            01/01/70 00:00      
                        the problem is ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Then            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Better way            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Google says            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Ok            01/01/70 00:00      
                     The secret of good interfacing...            01/01/70 00:00      
            XBY(ADDRESS) - incomplete?            01/01/70 00:00      
   connection            01/01/70 00:00      
      How about IO/M?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Missing Connection            01/01/70 00:00      
      two things that do not jive            01/01/70 00:00      
         ! - / *            01/01/70 00:00      
         Jive Bunny            01/01/70 00:00      
            not at atll, as long as there is a notation of \'tr            01/01/70 00:00      
            If the OP had considered the signal levels, he wou            01/01/70 00:00      
               Actually Erik...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  YES I misread - no excuse.            01/01/70 00:00      
   it is amzing to me            01/01/70 00:00      
      It doesn't matter whether it is old or new            01/01/70 00:00      
         I'm sure you have not            01/01/70 00:00      
            Of that there can be no doubt ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         But is it worth it?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Yes ... but ... and it's a big BUT ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               not that suggestion, but this one            01/01/70 00:00      
               Programmer??            01/01/70 00:00      
                  and for the rest ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Hogwash!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     no need to wash the hog            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Really?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           nitpicking            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Once again you demonstrate your narrow view            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 your "narrow view" takes you outside the audience            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Why Indians like 8155/8255            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       I/O expansion is not pantyhose, one size does            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Didn\'t you read the previous post?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             whatever, you say you can not get me to say that w            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          of course I did not, i answered without reading th            01/01/70 00:00      
   And with all these many highly on-topic posts...            01/01/70 00:00      
      I do not, do any of you?            01/01/70 00:00      
         What would YOU suggest? ... be specific            01/01/70 00:00      
   thanks a lot            01/01/70 00:00      
      Sorry, but            01/01/70 00:00      
      Current Technology            01/01/70 00:00      
      the typical response            01/01/70 00:00      
         This has happened before.            01/01/70 00:00      
      What an unfriendly reply after all our efforts...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Not so sure...            01/01/70 00:00      

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