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01/25/07 18:48
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#131483 - O-Who?
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Joseph Hebert said:
Howdy Rob,

How's the weather down there? I spent a dozen years in the Dallas area, which is why I now spell and pronounce the state name with the vowels transponsed, Taxes.



I hope you didn't get hit by the recent ice storm too hard. That looked pretty ugly from down here. We just worked from home for a couple days and it was over.

I'm north Kali refugee, so I'm used to both 6 months a year of 40 deg/F (~4 deg/C) weather, and the taxes are quite a relief in comparison. The Texans are working at thining my blood with 9 months/year of 95+ deg/F (35+ deg/C) heat, but it's going to take some time. My wife has a bunch of family up there, she's part Cherokee. We live in Longhorn country, so I'm going to throw back a "O-Who"? :-)



Joseph Hebert said:

What you say is true, but the original impetus behind surface mounting parts was not to save board space or increase part density. The original, the very first, surface mounting of parts was, as is evidenced in this very thread, a means by which engineers and technicians building prototypes could simplify board construction. It allowed them to drill fewer holes, and work on a single layer instead of two. And because it was a truly brilliant idea, other justifications soon became evident. Someone realized that particularly long headers and high pin count chips produce perforation weakend fault lines along which boards were subject to fracturing. SM techniques eliminated these perforation lines. Some anonymous RF engineer quickly realized that by eliminating the leads from discrete components he could eliminate wads of stray inductance and capacitance. Do you remember that the MELF package was the precursor to the 0805?

The desire for increased parts density, and the associated scale reduction, was a secondary, or at best parallel, impetus behind the development of SMT. PGAs, not BGAs, were developed to increase the pin count per unit area of board space. No, miniaturization was the natural evolution of a newly established technology, not the impetus behind its advent.

Joe



I first came across it as a ham radio op interested in microwave techniques. I was playing around with stripline MMIC amps in the early 90's. It was a real eye opener for me, and taught me quite a bit about signal propigation on a circuit board.

What's really funny is the whole prototyping process seems so much easier now than 1983/84 when I learned to make PCB's. We used to hand layout/draw with rub-off sticker traces and resist pens. It was an agonizing process. Now we have almost free schematic capture software with layout editors and autorouters, laser printers, and cheap mail order boardhouses.

IMO, the thing that keeps the hobby/amateur sector stuck in the 80's is familiarity of old techniques, and the ubiqutious "junk box". I have a "junk box" collection of old obsolete thru hole parts that just proves too tempting when it comes down to "open wallet" or "make due". In business it's just the cost of doing business, or the NRC entry cost of a project. It creates a kind of mental inertia when it's your lunch money. I'm planning on ordering a big batch of surface mount caps and resistors to help me overcome this. I think I'll get some SMT '51's and 74HCT logic and save the bent leads for things like op-amps and voltage regulators.



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BUS            01/01/70 00:00      
   does not make sense, pls explain            01/01/70 00:00      
      100 mils width is too small            01/01/70 00:00      
         Use 8052.com            01/01/70 00:00      
         in one direction, in the other it is .100            01/01/70 00:00      
         Drilling holes with 100 mil pitch should not be...            01/01/70 00:00      
            None at all!            01/01/70 00:00      
            The largest drill diameter is 0.050"            01/01/70 00:00      
               It's all coming back...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  What do you mean "coming back?" It's still here!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     the rest of us regard this a trip down memory lane            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Yes, paper clips, zippers ... they're still around            01/01/70 00:00      
                           yup, slow things down            01/01/70 00:00      
               It is 0.80mm NOT 0.080"            01/01/70 00:00      
                  One's too small, the other's too large            01/01/70 00:00      
         It\'s really not too small ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Terms; Width v Pitch            01/01/70 00:00      
   if it is all or none            01/01/70 00:00      
      I'm using a Single Sided board...            01/01/70 00:00      
         I don't understand...            01/01/70 00:00      
            yes            01/01/70 00:00      
               If you mean what I think you mean.            01/01/70 00:00      
               use an IC socket then...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  a good ides does not suffer from being repeated            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I missed that, sorry...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        what is a "component platform"?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           thanks            01/01/70 00:00      
                              here we go            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 oh now I remeber            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    they are available in 0.3" as well            01/01/70 00:00      
         nowadays, ridiculously small is REALLY small            01/01/70 00:00      
            Broken bit.            01/01/70 00:00      
   PCB Prototyping            01/01/70 00:00      
      Drilling...            01/01/70 00:00      
         great, Rob            01/01/70 00:00      
            1 sided...            01/01/70 00:00      
               you are aware, I hope            01/01/70 00:00      
                  SiLabs, etc...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     not at all            01/01/70 00:00      
                        So is the 89C51ED2            01/01/70 00:00      
                           there are PLCC sockets that spread the pins to 0.1            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Yep.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 ok            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 you don't have a proper devboard            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Devboard            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       do yourself a favor            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Thanks            01/01/70 00:00      
                              There are adapter boards that make it easy            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 You can add a groundplane!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    not just Kai            01/01/70 00:00      
                     SiLabs vs Atmel            01/01/70 00:00      
                        elaborating            01/01/70 00:00      
                           deviates            01/01/70 00:00      
                              the problem there is            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 diffs twixt SiLabs families            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    To Andy            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       LPC9xx???            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 RCAP2 vs TMR2RL            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    acronyms...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    If that had been it            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       F120 not genuine either            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          the difference is 'addition' vs 'change'            01/01/70 00:00      
            SMT Soldering is MUCH easier than PWB drilling.            01/01/70 00:00      
               wrong address            01/01/70 00:00      
               surface mount thru-hole            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Original SMT parts were modified DIP            01/01/70 00:00      
                     True but...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        The objective wasn't to make them smaller.            01/01/70 00:00      
                           O-Who?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Just to follow up...            01/01/70 00:00      

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