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06/09/05 00:53
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 		 #94535 - NASA
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Richard Erlacher said:
You don't seriously believe I'd ship the debugger with every unit, do you? It's a tool like and ICE or whatever. It goes in when trouble is being sought out, and comes back out when the job's done.

The NASA maxim has been quoted in this thread before: "Fly what you test, and test what you fly"

If you test with a resident debugger in place, then ship with the debugger removed, you haven't tested the shipped system!

Surely this argues for a minimal resident debug kernel that is permanently present in both the shipped and the tested systems...?


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Full-function debugger?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Keil uVision?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Full-function resident debuger            01/01/70 00:00      
         Oh...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Proteus6 or ISIS 5.2 Professional            01/01/70 00:00      
      full-function resident debugger            01/01/70 00:00      
         Like a Dream!            01/01/70 00:00      
   paulmon?            01/01/70 00:00      
   many possibilities            01/01/70 00:00      
      resident monitor vs. simulator/ICE            01/01/70 00:00      
         pray tell which            01/01/70 00:00      
         Nonsense!            01/01/70 00:00      
   best rethink this ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      comments            01/01/70 00:00      
      Nonsense!            01/01/70 00:00      
      Slow?            01/01/70 00:00      
         there's the rub...            01/01/70 00:00      
            I think I know what you're asking for            01/01/70 00:00      
               so what if JTAG is dead slow            01/01/70 00:00      
                  exactly            01/01/70 00:00      
                  full function debugger            01/01/70 00:00      
               Full-Function debug monitor            01/01/70 00:00      
                  answers and questions            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Full-Function debugger            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Does size matter??            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Full-Function resident debug monitor            01/01/70 00:00      
                  JTAG is the INTERFACE ..            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Full-Function resident debug monitor            01/01/70 00:00      
            You Call That Convenient???            01/01/70 00:00      
               A Men !!!            01/01/70 00:00      
                  sadly not            01/01/70 00:00      
                     be specific            01/01/70 00:00      
                        specifics            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Specifics....            01/01/70 00:00      
               Full Function Resident Debugger            01/01/70 00:00      
   JTAG vs On-Chip Debug            01/01/70 00:00      
   Full-Function Resident Debug Monitor            01/01/70 00:00      
      fried baloney            01/01/70 00:00      
         full-function debugger            01/01/70 00:00      
            a few questions            01/01/70 00:00      
               Full-Function resident debug monitor            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Still don't see why it needs to be...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Full-Function resident debug monitor            01/01/70 00:00      
                        nope.            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Full-function resident debug monitor            01/01/70 00:00      
                              NASA            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Full-function resident debug monitor            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    JTAG ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Sometimes not            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       JTAG            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    OH!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Synchronization            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          what does that have to do with            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             synchronization            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                that is not "synchronization"            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   synchronization            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      more            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         and more            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            re: and more (was "Synchronization:)            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         re: more (was Synchronization)            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            ask about sim, get answer about mon            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               simulator vs. debugger            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                  The end            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                                     thank goodness!            01/01/70 00:00      
                        ancient?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  different targets            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Full-function resident debug monitor            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I know what that is            01/01/70 00:00      
      But Why?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Full-function debugger            01/01/70 00:00      
            limitatitions?            01/01/70 00:00      
   to Richard            01/01/70 00:00      
      full-function resident debug monitor            01/01/70 00:00      
         Time Warp            01/01/70 00:00      
            Multiple target            01/01/70 00:00      
               Full-function resident debug monitor            01/01/70 00:00      
            Full Function resident debug monitor            01/01/70 00:00      
               This is a discussion forum            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Problem in resolution            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Off-Topic!            01/01/70 00:00      
               So you got a free bonus!            01/01/70 00:00      
                  beating a dead horse            01/01/70 00:00      
         seek and ye shall find            01/01/70 00:00      
   Dunfield Development Systems ??            01/01/70 00:00      
      Full-Function Debug Monitor            01/01/70 00:00      
   Some barebone monitors            01/01/70 00:00      
      BASIC            01/01/70 00:00      
         BASIC ???            01/01/70 00:00      
            Not pretending it is            01/01/70 00:00      
            on BASIC            01/01/70 00:00      
               Acorn ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  asm in basic            01/01/70 00:00      
      Full function resident debug monitor            01/01/70 00:00      
         source            01/01/70 00:00      
            Full function resident debugger C-source            01/01/70 00:00      
            Giving away source            01/01/70 00:00      
               of course you would            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Ha            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Poor DA A            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Here is my stock            01/01/70 00:00      
                           DA A            01/01/70 00:00      
      seasoned hands??            01/01/70 00:00      
         ROM-emulator + debug monitor            01/01/70 00:00      
         In ROM monitor.            01/01/70 00:00      
            emulators            01/01/70 00:00      
         Seasoned hands            01/01/70 00:00      
      BASIC - and - MONITOR-51            01/01/70 00:00      
   Timer 0 isr howto            01/01/70 00:00      
      to Jonzon Yeow            01/01/70 00:00      
   back to the original question            01/01/70 00:00      
      There's an echo in here...            01/01/70 00:00      
         sorry for not crediting you            01/01/70 00:00      
      XCHD instructions.            01/01/70 00:00      
      Original question            01/01/70 00:00      
   re;synchronization            01/01/70 00:00      

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