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10/27/07 23:12
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#146302 - not really
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Erik Malund said:
Richard Erlacher said:
With the ARM, you can develop on a native LINUX and port the code using widely accepted, supported, and understood software tools.

There's no comparison at all!

which serious developer would want to use tools with no guaranteed support? I can see hobbyists liking 'free'

and

I doubt it matters what the part costs in quantities under 1k units. Only developers, who can get the small quantities for free for the asking as samples, and hobbyists, who really don't matter to the manufacturer, care about quantities under 100.


the first quote states that hobbyists like the ARM, the second states that it does not matter what hobbyists want.

{my minor corrections of spelling, etc.}

Which commercial enterprise guarantees anything in a way that YOU can enforce? When they fix something it's just because it's in their commercial interest to do so. They just ignore "minor" bugs.

I've been watching SDCC's mailing list for a number of years, yet haven't yet seen even one bug go unhandled within a few days. Usually it's not a bug at all. Sometimes it's handled by referring to the doc. This often has the advantage of forcing the documentation into more current form. When was the last time you saw commercial software with current-version documentation? When was the last time you saw ANY current documentation for a Microsoft product?

Erik


That's not what it says. It says that one is free to use the free software that already works very well, in an environment that already works MUCH better and more reliably than WINDOWS, despite the fact it's offered at no cost, and which is certain to be maintained without being subject to the whims of profit-oriented management. The support structure is not mandatory, of course.

It's sort of like ideal communism "... each is served according to his needs, and each serves according to his ability ..."

Naturally, there'll be some slackers, and many who simply lack the ability to provide useful support.

The fact that you, Erik, keep coming back to this support issue suggests a guilty conscience. Back in the days when I was a German, we used to have a saying, "Wass ich denk und tuh, trau ich anderen zu." In that sense, I'd guess you're concerned that others won't support LINUX tools because YOU wouldn't. That doesn't happen to be the case, so, just because you lack the time, will, resources, or whatever, to contribute, there'll still be excellent and timely support.

It's very much like using your Public Broadcasting System TV station. You still get to watch, despite the fact you either do or don't donate. I doubt you lose any sleep over it. I don't recommend you retain whatever feelings of guilt you may have regarding open-source software. The guys who thought it up knew that most users wouldn't contribute. Often just the occasional bug report is enough to be helpful.

RE



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Will AVR sweep 8051            01/01/70 00:00      
   Is this a worldly viewpoint?            01/01/70 00:00      
      apple and orange            01/01/70 00:00      
   Availability; Programmers?!            01/01/70 00:00      
      price            01/01/70 00:00      
      Availability; Programmers?!            01/01/70 00:00      
         misplaced in the tree - the laugh is on you            01/01/70 00:00      
            this post is misplaced in the tree            01/01/70 00:00      
               it would be nice if you responded to my points            01/01/70 00:00      
                  what that means            01/01/70 00:00      
                     still do not know            01/01/70 00:00      
                        still do not know            01/01/70 00:00      
                           still do not know            01/01/70 00:00      
                              It is not up to us            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 LPC900            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    very scaring            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       yes, you get headaches ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Changing Compiler            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    works just fine (now)            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    works just fine (now)            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    works for me            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    whydoes this happen            01/01/70 00:00      
                           every barrel can have a rotten apple..            01/01/70 00:00      
            your replies are difficult to read            01/01/70 00:00      
      ATMEL ... that's why AVR will never sweep the 805x            01/01/70 00:00      
         Atmel's step Motherly treatment for 8051            01/01/70 00:00      
   'support' and 'Atmel', I am still laughing.            01/01/70 00:00      
      perspective            01/01/70 00:00      
         Now you're talking            01/01/70 00:00      
            Except for tools            01/01/70 00:00      
               What scares most Windows users ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  GCC-based 8051 compiler?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     No, but there is one for ARM            01/01/70 00:00      
                        ARM vs GCC Compiler            01/01/70 00:00      
                           With ARM, it's faster and not smaller that matters            01/01/70 00:00      
         does that really matter?            01/01/70 00:00      
            contradiction            01/01/70 00:00      
               not really            01/01/70 00:00      
                  conscience ny butt            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Statistically insignificant?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        sure - however            01/01/70 00:00      
      I am still laughing            01/01/70 00:00      
         Please learn to use the Quote button properly            01/01/70 00:00      
         A Very Different Additude            01/01/70 00:00      
   8051 IP?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Yes, in about 10E42 years.            01/01/70 00:00      
   catch up?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics            01/01/70 00:00      
         More statistics, if you like that sort of thing...            01/01/70 00:00      
   AVRs might not sweep 8051 but...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Free Tools - Captive Audience            01/01/70 00:00      
         agreed ! but..            01/01/70 00:00      
      Can't compete with ARM!            01/01/70 00:00      
   A Link            01/01/70 00:00      
   It hasn't done so far!            01/01/70 00:00      
   ARM Eval Kit for 32 quid; inc Board and Keil!            01/01/70 00:00      
      and who, but a hobbyist should care            01/01/70 00:00      
      from the latest NXP newsletter            01/01/70 00:00      
   maybe a slightly different view            01/01/70 00:00      

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