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03/06/08 17:13
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#151961 - PIC makes the 805x look "conventional"
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Back in the "old days" when the 805x was new, we thought of it as unconventional because it was a Harvard architecture, had no I/O instructions, and, generally was off-putting to those of us who were accustomed to "normal" von Neumann processors of that time. (SFR's ??? ... what are those??? Why can't I access the upper half of IRAM directly? ... Four banks of register/scratchpad???)

It's not so off-putting to the newbie, however, as he's not accustomed to "normal" stuff. He's also isolated from the architecture by the 'C' compiler, so he doesn't have to worry about the architecture until it's absolutely necessitated by his need for low-level control (which the compiler doesn't allow him) over what's going on.

This makes the availability of an IDE for "self-education" much more important. Eventually, one learns to live without it, no matter what the architecture, but when starting out, it's much simpler if the IDE is there, no matter how weak, to "hold one's hand" while going through the early steps.

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List of 47 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
Opinion: 8052.com hosting other company forums?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Suck it and see?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Appearance of Propriety            01/01/70 00:00      
         separate search            01/01/70 00:00      
   Companies ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Topic Forums vs Company Forums            01/01/70 00:00      
      Please no            01/01/70 00:00      
         Forum Topics at SiLabs            01/01/70 00:00      
      Nice idea, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Pros and Cons            01/01/70 00:00      
   Follow-up            01/01/70 00:00      
      I like the idea...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Doesn't matter to me            01/01/70 00:00      
            Would it concentrate the "brains" or ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Valid points            01/01/70 00:00      
                  it seems to be concentrated in a few places            01/01/70 00:00      
                  that may be, but ....            01/01/70 00:00      
               Truth and 8052.com            01/01/70 00:00      
                  effort            01/01/70 00:00      
                  As soon as marketing becomes involved ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Fewer accounts :)            01/01/70 00:00      
   A good way to survive            01/01/70 00:00      
      naah            01/01/70 00:00      
      Welcome to the 21st Century!            01/01/70 00:00      
         Of course            01/01/70 00:00      
            Is there a "free" ide ?            01/01/70 00:00      
               "Free" as in beer - but not choice            01/01/70 00:00      
                  True enough ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Solutions            01/01/70 00:00      
                        SDCC IDE            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Active            01/01/70 00:00      
                            tried that one ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I think...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Pinnacle            01/01/70 00:00      
                        a decent IDE...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Not always            01/01/70 00:00      
                              it's kind of there            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Isn't it?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    well, you have to start somewhere            01/01/70 00:00      
                              coming soon...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Sounds like a job for...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Eclipse? No, please!...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Lock-in            01/01/70 00:00      
            Is the PIC really so much simpler??            01/01/70 00:00      
               PIC makes the 805x look "conventional"            01/01/70 00:00      
               an 8051-user is automatically disqualified...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Too much bagage in the PIC            01/01/70 00:00      

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