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03/06/08 17:14
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 		 #151962 - "Free" as in beer - but not choice
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Richard Erlacher said:
As compared with other (perhaps not so prolific) architectures, the 805x has few "complete" packages of the sort that newbies are probably accustomed to seeing. I've seen a lot of 805x "crippleware", i.e. demo packages limited to a small amount of memory space, or something on that order, while PIC users and AVR fans don't seem to run into that as often.

They're "free" because Microchip, Atmel, et al know that they lock the user in to their own, proprietary chips - see:
http://www.8052.com/forum/read.phtml?id=146238

But, because the 8051 architecture is standard across all vendors, there would be no way for any one vendor to give away a "full" toolchain and restrict it to their own products - they would effectively be giving it to the entire 8051 community!

The universality of the 8051 architecture is, of course, it's key advantage - and something that none of the single-source proprietary architectures can match!


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Opinion: 8052.com hosting other company forums?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Suck it and see?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Appearance of Propriety            01/01/70 00:00      
         separate search            01/01/70 00:00      
   Companies ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Topic Forums vs Company Forums            01/01/70 00:00      
      Please no            01/01/70 00:00      
         Forum Topics at SiLabs            01/01/70 00:00      
      Nice idea, but...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Pros and Cons            01/01/70 00:00      
   Follow-up            01/01/70 00:00      
      I like the idea...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Doesn't matter to me            01/01/70 00:00      
            Would it concentrate the "brains" or ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Valid points            01/01/70 00:00      
                  it seems to be concentrated in a few places            01/01/70 00:00      
                  that may be, but ....            01/01/70 00:00      
               Truth and 8052.com            01/01/70 00:00      
                  effort            01/01/70 00:00      
                  As soon as marketing becomes involved ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Fewer accounts :)            01/01/70 00:00      
   A good way to survive            01/01/70 00:00      
      naah            01/01/70 00:00      
      Welcome to the 21st Century!            01/01/70 00:00      
         Of course            01/01/70 00:00      
            Is there a "free" ide ?            01/01/70 00:00      
               "Free" as in beer - but not choice            01/01/70 00:00      
                  True enough ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Solutions            01/01/70 00:00      
                        SDCC IDE            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Active            01/01/70 00:00      
                            tried that one ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I think...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Pinnacle            01/01/70 00:00      
                        a decent IDE...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Not always            01/01/70 00:00      
                              it's kind of there            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Isn't it?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    well, you have to start somewhere            01/01/70 00:00      
                              coming soon...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Sounds like a job for...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Eclipse? No, please!...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Lock-in            01/01/70 00:00      
            Is the PIC really so much simpler??            01/01/70 00:00      
               PIC makes the 805x look "conventional"            01/01/70 00:00      
               an 8051-user is automatically disqualified...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Too much bagage in the PIC            01/01/70 00:00      

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