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12/18/04 16:42
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#83424 - What it is?
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Okay,

It wasn't temperature.
It wasn't humidity.
It wasn't too long a screw in a critical place.
Yes, the old board worked when tested.
No, the new boards still didn't work.

Erik has been right there next to the solution. In fact, he (and a couple other of you) would probably have isolated the problem by now, but I still haven't seen anyone nail it down.

No Erik. The old board does NOT work with the new components. But now that you've identified that the new components are the problem, how do you fix it?

I still haven't heard anyone articulate the problem with the new components. So how will you fix it?


So without further information other than 'it doesn't work' I'll have to make a guess.

If there is simply no activity then suspect the oscillator, check the crystal/resonator whatever and associated components. If it runs but crashes/freezes suspect timing so check external memory and also decoupling because if this is insufficient then a new part taking more current may introduce ground bounce etc. Also check any series ferrite beads/resistors fitted for EMC. I have had several cases of improperly marked resistors that were tough to track down so while you are at it check the actual values of all the passive components. Lastly if it works mostly but goes wrong occasionaly I would suspect a mask change. I once worked on an 8051 development where the part was made as part of a so called 'mask exchange' agreement so the parts should have been identical to the Intel originals. It turned out that for one instruction only the new part set a flag differently to the Intel part.

Ian


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Weekend On-Topic (WOnT)            01/01/70 00:00      
   microsoft ??            01/01/70 00:00      
      Cute ;)            01/01/70 00:00      
   Weekend on Topic            01/01/70 00:00      
      A very reasonable hypothesis            01/01/70 00:00      
   happened here            01/01/70 00:00      
      The chip changed            01/01/70 00:00      
         What happened?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Also an excellent hypothesis            01/01/70 00:00      
         too much            01/01/70 00:00      
            Nah.            01/01/70 00:00      
      Me too, But            01/01/70 00:00      
   systematic debugging            01/01/70 00:00      
   Pb-free?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Did the temp characteristics change?            01/01/70 00:00      
   another one from memory            01/01/70 00:00      
   What it's not.            01/01/70 00:00      
      Solution            01/01/70 00:00      
         Speed!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Speed            01/01/70 00:00      
      Would get the oscope, first            01/01/70 00:00      
      Try this            01/01/70 00:00      
      What it is?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Think volume            01/01/70 00:00      
            Not a puzzle!!            01/01/70 00:00      
               Apologies            01/01/70 00:00      
   Re:            01/01/70 00:00      
      Y2K-and-something            01/01/70 00:00      
         Y2K + something            01/01/70 00:00      
            Y2k05            01/01/70 00:00      
               The Unix Epoch and the Year 2038            01/01/70 00:00      
   Yet another true story...            01/01/70 00:00      
      A perfect example            01/01/70 00:00      
         Newer IC            01/01/70 00:00      
      Answer time...?            01/01/70 00:00      
         another guess            01/01/70 00:00      
      language            01/01/70 00:00      
         Faster does not mean better!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Ok            01/01/70 00:00      
               Gladly            01/01/70 00:00      
         To tell the whole truth...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Hidden parameters            01/01/70 00:00      
      Parasitic parameters            01/01/70 00:00      
         Chip manufacturer changed?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Faster/slower or "controlled" rise time            01/01/70 00:00      
   Answer            01/01/70 00:00      
      Amazing....            01/01/70 00:00      
         Amazed            01/01/70 00:00      
            Split Planes            01/01/70 00:00      
      A bit disappointed...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Series resistors and line matching            01/01/70 00:00      
            Series termination resistors            01/01/70 00:00      
            Series termination            01/01/70 00:00      
               SWR            01/01/70 00:00      
               simulation to the rescue            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Thanks!            01/01/70 00:00      
      The same moment?            01/01/70 00:00      
         The same moment!            01/01/70 00:00      
   I'm Back.            01/01/70 00:00      

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