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05/25/06 21:46
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#117117 - useful, maybe
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Useful open source software

What Keil/SDCC comparisons I have seen re speed/compactmess makes me conclude that SDCC is not useful for commercial purposes.

When you make a million thingies, e.g. the price difference between a RC2 and a RD2 matters. So does EMI which leads the drive for lower clock speeds.

Commercial software is no guarantee of good support or long term support
True, but if one falters, you switch. In a commercial environment to abandon one and pay a couple of k for the other is not a biggie. A compiler maker wanted me to switch from Keil to his brand and, as part of the deal, offered to have "his guy" do all conversions. Now, I happen to be quite pleased with Keil so, no deal. However, should that state cease, I might take the other up on the offer. Not Keil, but another tool supplier was unsupportive, but jumped to the task of support when I "discussed" changing brands.

The one to really avoid is free commercial products. When you pay for something you have bought permission to insist on support, when it is free you have no such permission. I have been trying to get SILabs to fix a bug in their free software for more than 8 months. Had that bug been a showstopper, my product would, by now, have had another brand of chip installed.

Erik

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8051 developer tool reputations            01/01/70 00:00      
   Dont forget            01/01/70 00:00      
      re:don't forget            01/01/70 00:00      
         I always think            01/01/70 00:00      
            I agree            01/01/70 00:00      
         Support and Longevity            01/01/70 00:00      
            useful, maybe            01/01/70 00:00      
               Useful            01/01/70 00:00      
                  misunderstanding            01/01/70 00:00      
               Software licences            01/01/70 00:00      
                  this trade union does not permit that            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Software houses should offer refunds            01/01/70 00:00      
                        it works both ways            01/01/70 00:00      
                           you worry too much about piracy            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I do not worry at all            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 no it's not ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    by best estimate            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       That's why there are spec's            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          I think you agree            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             not quite            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                is what you list not "design"            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   No, but it must precede each design.            01/01/70 00:00      
                           you worry too much about piracy            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Predictable            01/01/70 00:00      
            Commercial licences and longevity            01/01/70 00:00      
               have not seen that one            01/01/70 00:00      
                  open source            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I know the people "behind" my tools            01/01/70 00:00      
                        free as in freedom            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Lucky you            01/01/70 00:00      
   a few questions            01/01/70 00:00      
      Sorry If I am not clear            01/01/70 00:00      
         an overview            01/01/70 00:00      
         find out and come back to this thread            01/01/70 00:00      
         Emulator for.....            01/01/70 00:00      
            the only one where that can be said            01/01/70 00:00      
            Yes i found that out            01/01/70 00:00      
               learning to swim            01/01/70 00:00      
               if it is            01/01/70 00:00      
                  but we're not using XA            01/01/70 00:00      
   a couple of points            01/01/70 00:00      
      yes well...            01/01/70 00:00      
         what DOS based tools?            01/01/70 00:00      
            a really old keil program i think            01/01/70 00:00      
               I do not know, but ask in the Keil forum            01/01/70 00:00      
               Maybe            01/01/70 00:00      
   summary            01/01/70 00:00      
   Keil and IAR            01/01/70 00:00      
      Support Forum            01/01/70 00:00      
         Nobody got sacked for buying IBM etc...            01/01/70 00:00      
            it will be flawed            01/01/70 00:00      
               one man's "creature" ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Known or unknown            01/01/70 00:00      
                  The only one with "real" bug reports            01/01/70 00:00      
                     SDCC            01/01/70 00:00      
                        VERY true!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Keil            01/01/70 00:00      
   what I do            01/01/70 00:00      

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