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05/26/06 14:46
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 		 #117154 - it works both ways
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Software houses should offer refunds

And I'm sure the better ones would do so, if they were selling to a community that was 99% honest.

HOWEVER, if e.g. Keil offered refunds, there would be thousands of users out there using a full Keil toolset AFTER having collected the refund. If asked about their lack of honesty, they would reply "software should be free" or some such nonsense.

Come up with a scheme where software is a physical, non-copyable entity so a return actually prevented the user from ANY benefit and I think many would offer refunds if you asked.

If you have a reputation for honesty, they DO "offer refunds" albeit not by offering refunds but I have NEVER had a problem borrowing a full toolset from ANY toolmaker except Tasking.

I have, on various occasions, borrowed ORCAD, Keil, Raisonance, IAR, Franklin and more.

Erik

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8051 developer tool reputations            01/01/70 00:00      
   Dont forget            01/01/70 00:00      
      re:don't forget            01/01/70 00:00      
         I always think            01/01/70 00:00      
            I agree            01/01/70 00:00      
         Support and Longevity            01/01/70 00:00      
            useful, maybe            01/01/70 00:00      
               Useful            01/01/70 00:00      
                  misunderstanding            01/01/70 00:00      
               Software licences            01/01/70 00:00      
                  this trade union does not permit that            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Software houses should offer refunds            01/01/70 00:00      
                        it works both ways            01/01/70 00:00      
                           you worry too much about piracy            01/01/70 00:00      
                              I do not worry at all            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 no it's not ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    by best estimate            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       That's why there are spec's            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          I think you agree            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             not quite            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                is what you list not "design"            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   No, but it must precede each design.            01/01/70 00:00      
                           you worry too much about piracy            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Predictable            01/01/70 00:00      
            Commercial licences and longevity            01/01/70 00:00      
               have not seen that one            01/01/70 00:00      
                  open source            01/01/70 00:00      
                     I know the people "behind" my tools            01/01/70 00:00      
                        free as in freedom            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Lucky you            01/01/70 00:00      
   a few questions            01/01/70 00:00      
      Sorry If I am not clear            01/01/70 00:00      
         an overview            01/01/70 00:00      
         find out and come back to this thread            01/01/70 00:00      
         Emulator for.....            01/01/70 00:00      
            the only one where that can be said            01/01/70 00:00      
            Yes i found that out            01/01/70 00:00      
               learning to swim            01/01/70 00:00      
               if it is            01/01/70 00:00      
                  but we're not using XA            01/01/70 00:00      
   a couple of points            01/01/70 00:00      
      yes well...            01/01/70 00:00      
         what DOS based tools?            01/01/70 00:00      
            a really old keil program i think            01/01/70 00:00      
               I do not know, but ask in the Keil forum            01/01/70 00:00      
               Maybe            01/01/70 00:00      
   summary            01/01/70 00:00      
   Keil and IAR            01/01/70 00:00      
      Support Forum            01/01/70 00:00      
         Nobody got sacked for buying IBM etc...            01/01/70 00:00      
            it will be flawed            01/01/70 00:00      
               one man's "creature" ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Known or unknown            01/01/70 00:00      
                  The only one with "real" bug reports            01/01/70 00:00      
                     SDCC            01/01/70 00:00      
                        VERY true!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Keil            01/01/70 00:00      
   what I do            01/01/70 00:00      

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