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02/05/07 06:06
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#132001 - It doesn't take long to wire-wrap ...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Since the likely "classic" design he's implementing is pretty simple, I'd suggest he wire-wrap one first rather than wasting all the time and money to build a PCB. I doubt he'll save much money, but he'll have his board in a three or four hours and, in the rather likely event he has to change something in his design, it will be very easy to do. Naturally, there's a learning curve. Wire-wrap materials are not ubiquitous as they once were. That may add a day or two of delay. It's not as cheap and convenient for multiple boards as PCB is, but I doubt Mike's at that stage yet at which he'd want to repeat his errors.

I built a full implementation of the DS89C4x0 supporting all 3 of its address multiplexing modes on an un-groundplaned perfboard with plated-through holes in about 2.5 hours last week, and it took most of that time simply to place the bypass members (.001u, 0805's) and connectors. Now, I'm pretty experienced and well-equipped at wiring, so I can place 3-4 wires per minute, on a good day. I don't see as well as I once did, so I have to change glasses a lot when working very close, as I do when soldering bypass cap's. This slows me down considerably.

I'd guess an inexperienced fellow with normal vision would be able to work twice as fast as I, since placing bypass would go very much faster for him. I spent a lot of time looking for the cap or resistor I'd just dropped, after changing glasses, and increasing the lighting.

For someone who wants to try something out, it's much easier than a PCB, involves drilling no holes, and mixing no chemicals. For a simple circuit such as mine, a hand-tool would be adequate for the wiring task. If it were larger, say, >100 IC's, I'd say a motorized tool, just to ensure uniformity of wraps, would be advisable. If one works neatly, all materials are reuseable if the board is scrapped, including the board and the SMT bypass members.

Wire-wrapped boards are durable, functional, and relatively convenient. Components on circuits no longer to be used are completely salvagable if one works neatly and carefully, being careful not to overheat the soldered parts.

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An 8051 on a DS board            01/01/70 00:00      
   down memory lane            01/01/70 00:00      
      thanks.            01/01/70 00:00      
         Etchant undercutting            01/01/70 00:00      
            photoresist?            01/01/70 00:00      
   I would let them fabricate...            01/01/70 00:00      
      3 or 4 revisions later...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Coming down to earth with a bang...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Yes            01/01/70 00:00      
            Not a valid question            01/01/70 00:00      
               My intention is not what you think...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  SS I think is better            01/01/70 00:00      
                     In your case, wire-wrap would be better yet.            01/01/70 00:00      
                        answer            01/01/70 00:00      
                           one thing at a time ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              yes I have            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Why?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    even bettwr            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Oh, please, please, please ... not ATMEL!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Just curious, why?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Richard has his reasons, here is mine            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Come on, are we snivellers or professionals??            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                no 'advice' in my post            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Semantic quibblings...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Forewarned is forearmed ... once bitten, twice shy            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Waitaminute ... those others didn\'t do that            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   attitude - arrogance we agree            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Our FAE didn't protect us ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Again a single event...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      No, Kai, it's a year-long string of events            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Then stay away from Atmel's products...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Yes, that seems to work satisfactorily            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Well, that's a reason.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                OT - Fortran compiler            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Atmel works for me            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Of course it does            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Off topic, but - Fortan compiler?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Fortran            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Sad but true...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Rob, Caslav Why put that in this thread?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Agreed...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Sorry            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         A new thread\'s warranted            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Anything else?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Yes...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     SS is easier            01/01/70 00:00      
            It doesn't take long to wire-wrap ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Two sided board alignment            01/01/70 00:00      
   Q for Mike            01/01/70 00:00      
      F15T8BL            01/01/70 00:00      
         a guide for double sided pcb fab            01/01/70 00:00      
      OSRAM            01/01/70 00:00      
      back in the \"old days\"            01/01/70 00:00      
   a footnote            01/01/70 00:00      
      if you have a ground plane ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         HUH?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Yes, it's the made-in-the-kitchen ones ...            01/01/70 00:00      

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