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02/06/07 15:44
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#132143 - Well, that's a reason.
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Hi Erik,

Well, that is a reason. And frankly, I find it more refreshingly frank than the typical "white paper" response wherein someone goes through a litany of bullet points and logical contortions to try and justify such a position, without ever admitting their real reason.

I used to have a similar position on IBM. I've said before that my first computer was an IBM PS/2 Model 50. IBM marketed their PS/2 line to college students (though I traded a very expensive rifle for mine from a friend). But when my 20 MByte hard drive filled up, I found that the only way I could get one with more capacity was to give IBM $1600 for an MCA (Micro Channel Architecture) 40 MByte drive. Any normal 50 MByte hard drive would have cost less than, or not much more than, $100 at the time. When I bought a pen plotter and needed to add a serial port, instead of getting a $20 card, I had to buy a $125 card. Eventually I got tired of haveing to compress one directory so I could expand the one I needed, but instead of giving IBM $1600 for another hard drive, I bought a new 386/387 machine for $1000 (with an 80 MByte hard disk. Wow! I'd never be able to fill that one up :O ).

In a recent post I mentioned writing an ion source extraction model in BASIC because I couldn't get a Fortran compiler. In point of fact, the reason I couldn't get a Fortran compiler was because the only one in the local store at the time was an IBM compiler, and I wouldn't buy it. I did order a non-IBM Fortran compiler, so I didn't do any more models in BASIC, and eventually I learned enough about C/C++ to do what I need. But to this day I have never spent another dime on anything IBM.

As for Atmel, I use Atmel routinely and will continue to do so if I can buy them from Mouser. But then, my experience with their field engineers in Dallas was pretty much the diametric opposite of the experience you describe.

Later,

Joe


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An 8051 on a DS board            01/01/70 00:00      
   down memory lane            01/01/70 00:00      
      thanks.            01/01/70 00:00      
         Etchant undercutting            01/01/70 00:00      
            photoresist?            01/01/70 00:00      
   I would let them fabricate...            01/01/70 00:00      
      3 or 4 revisions later...            01/01/70 00:00      
         Coming down to earth with a bang...            01/01/70 00:00      
            Yes            01/01/70 00:00      
            Not a valid question            01/01/70 00:00      
               My intention is not what you think...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  SS I think is better            01/01/70 00:00      
                     In your case, wire-wrap would be better yet.            01/01/70 00:00      
                        answer            01/01/70 00:00      
                           one thing at a time ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              yes I have            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Why?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    even bettwr            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Oh, please, please, please ... not ATMEL!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Just curious, why?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Richard has his reasons, here is mine            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Come on, are we snivellers or professionals??            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                no 'advice' in my post            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Semantic quibblings...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Forewarned is forearmed ... once bitten, twice shy            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Waitaminute ... those others didn\'t do that            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   attitude - arrogance we agree            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Our FAE didn't protect us ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Again a single event...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      No, Kai, it's a year-long string of events            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Then stay away from Atmel's products...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Yes, that seems to work satisfactorily            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             Well, that's a reason.            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                OT - Fortran compiler            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Atmel works for me            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Of course it does            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                Off topic, but - Fortan compiler?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Fortran            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Sad but true...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                   Rob, Caslav Why put that in this thread?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                      Agreed...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         Sorry            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                         A new thread\'s warranted            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                            Anything else?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                                               Yes...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     SS is easier            01/01/70 00:00      
            It doesn't take long to wire-wrap ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Two sided board alignment            01/01/70 00:00      
   Q for Mike            01/01/70 00:00      
      F15T8BL            01/01/70 00:00      
         a guide for double sided pcb fab            01/01/70 00:00      
      OSRAM            01/01/70 00:00      
      back in the \"old days\"            01/01/70 00:00      
   a footnote            01/01/70 00:00      
      if you have a ground plane ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         HUH?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Yes, it's the made-in-the-kitchen ones ...            01/01/70 00:00      

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