| Pierce oscillator runs down to Vcc=1.3V! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| you should get a probing set... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I keep the micro always reseted, ... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| we already know | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Low voltage operation | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| What puzzles me ... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| True Reset | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Thanks, Lynn, for giving us this deep insight! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Scary warnings | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| do you not know ... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| What I know about this... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I didn't hear complaints about reset back then | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| MAY??? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Those were different times | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| which troubles? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I don\'t understand your question, Oleg. | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| If I could do that, I would be a millionaire from | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| There is an overwhelming evidence! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Conjecture, not Evidence | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| already answered | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| HORSEFEATHERS! ... Read the question | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Do you put in question, that... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Comments on Vdd and Flash | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| not quite true | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I agree... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| by the way | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| state machine decoding... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| well Richard did not read it | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| No, I did read it ... in fact, I read it long ago | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| of course you are not | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| reset etc. | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| stories-part II | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| aka experience | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Another Low VDD Story | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| That's how many reset chips work | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| about that I have no doubt ... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| You, even less like to read the answers | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| As I said before ... HORSEFEATHERS! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| a horse of a different color | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Flogging a dead (reset?) horse | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| would that not be the case of | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Not defective, just powered down | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| then where is the difference | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Good chips and state machine failures | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Reset seems to be different with static 8052 | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| What do you think about my lines, Lynn? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Static and Dynamic Reset, and Lines | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Thanks, the hope dies last... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| why? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Isn't it shocking... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I know a lot ... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| ...partially... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| The names and functions | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| the analogy | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Flash and Lines | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| So, what the hell is the remedy, then?? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| So long post... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Kai's remarks are germane to the issue | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Stoping the oscillator | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Lynn, pray explain | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Stopped clocks and reset | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| waitaminute.... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| This leads to the conclusion that ... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Some further reading | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Let's be general | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| General Reset | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| So ... how do we fix it? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| one thing you could do would be to .. | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Tying reset ot crystal enable | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| it's already there... well in some form... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Clock stopping on power-up | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| we have alternatives... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| comments | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| reset (and diode) | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| trying to conclude | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Total agree! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| That's not quite been my experience | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Erik ... That proves nothing! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| what else do you want 'proven' | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| suggestion vs. proof | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I need a link | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| well, you do not need tp prove it | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I had not considered these ATMEL (yechh) parts | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| is there no end? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| coincidence is not proof | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Why on earth would I do that? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I would make me do something | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Sadly, few who are in a position to do something | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I am not demanding proof because is isn't there. | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Maybe you can get support from Silabs? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| All manufacturers have problems | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| function, not the device | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I like the way you go into the details! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| It puzzles me that no chip maker has done this. | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Vdd slew rate as a factor. | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I have looked, but since it is not one of 'my' der | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| 1 ms Vdd slew rates | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I'd be afraid... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| nope | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| if I specify the slew rate for powerdown... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| No ... I see this as limiting board capcitance | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I know... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| they get what they deserve! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| be realistic | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| it takes more than a supervisor | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| shooting sparrows with RPGs | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| it's not a sparrow, Erik ... it's a vulture | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| as it does not, then why worry | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Erik, I don't know where your head's wedged ... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| An almost off-topic comment on Xilinx JTAG | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| there is no problem, so why do you state there is | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| ? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| calrification | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| If you would get your head out of your ... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| well, if you do not want to 'test' the derivatives | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| If you want yours tested, YOU test 'em | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I did not | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| It's like breaking off the Vcc pin | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| the datasheet states.. | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| It's probably ATMEL (yechhh!) that said that | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| rephrased to match this subject | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| the bulletproof '51 | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Custom 8051! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| That is not the goal. | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| very true ... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I don't understand, Erik ... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| READ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| when SiLabs builds a DIP-40 or PLCC-44 805x | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| what does the package have to do with slew rate | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Erik ... it has to do with what I'll test. | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| well, if you restrict your test to ancients, then | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| current parts, but in DIP40 or PLCC44 | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| well you may find that someone sinned but did | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| No manufacturer warns about slew rates!! | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| actually I recall one | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| I reread the whole link and | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| To Richard | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| it's just "lip-service" and means nothing | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Please, Richard, only facts | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| Kai, you can\'t compare the two environments | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| re 'lip service' | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| there you go again ... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| unless the chairman of the board confess his sin | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| What you\'re spewing is nonsense | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| show what nonsesne you are communicating | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
| what is this still about? | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
Times change, and so do IC's... | | 01/01/70 00:00 |
