Email: Password: Remember Me | Create Account (Free)

Back to Subject List

Old thread has been locked -- no new posts accepted in this thread
???
03/27/07 15:52
Read: times


 
#135964 - not so fast, Jez
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Jez Smith said:
Richard Erlacher said:
A good, fast PLL will acquire within 20-40 reference clock cycles and track over twice its capture range. These DLL's take millions of cycles to settle and, essentially, are essentially useless for purposes aside from clock distribution within the FPGA.


Youve really got to stop making such wild claims.I have used the DLLs and they exactly what they say on the tin,they capture within 16 cycles and using the unisim library for xilinx in modelsim you can see they behave exactly as you would expect.
You have to remember that sales people for companies like xilinx know nothing and if you ask them about DLL capture range their little heads spin round.

You say stuff such as 'These DLL's take millions of cycles to settle' and yet they simply don't.


It's too bad the documentation for these features is so muddled. When I've specifically inquired about using DLL's in the way I suggested, I've been given a list of somewhat ambiguous and certainly inconsistent writeups, some specific to Spartan-II DLL's and some referring to Virtex DLL's and Spartan-II DLL's in the same context, though elsewhere they say the two are different.

I've been referred to writeups that state precisely what I said, that it takes a very long time for a DLL to reestablish lock once the source signal has been lost, gated off, etc, then resestablished.

The library description is in conflict with some of the writeups to which I've been referred, though, they're almost universally targeted at the Virtex DLL, which they say differs from the Spartan DLL, but never get around to saying in what way. The result has, so far, been that I've never bothered with 'em, choosing instead to use external PLL's, which is a pain in the gluteus, but gets the job done.

Perhaps you can shed some light. I'm certainly interested.

RE

List of 61 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
FPGA            01/01/70 00:00      
   Why on EARTH would you ask that stuff here?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Triscend, Zylogic, Actel            01/01/70 00:00      
      Triscend\'s gone quiet ... is that permanent?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Triscend is dead - now it's Zylogic            01/01/70 00:00      
            re soft-cores            01/01/70 00:00      
               So far, I've not encountered one that works at all            01/01/70 00:00      
         Published ?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Published => open source=> free, as in free beer            01/01/70 00:00      
      Actel Core8051 and Core8051s - "free"            01/01/70 00:00      
         Everyone I know refuses to use actel FPGAs            01/01/70 00:00      
            A good word for Actels            01/01/70 00:00      
            Good question            01/01/70 00:00      
               what we used to do when we gave out evaluation            01/01/70 00:00      
   VHDL Tutorial            01/01/70 00:00      
      Thanks,            01/01/70 00:00      
   Don't forget to read my extremely wonderous            01/01/70 00:00      
      ... and this thread, from a few months ago ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         so ... what did you ever do?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Not really, things change            01/01/70 00:00      
               sounds like '1553            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Yep and the optical version            01/01/70 00:00      
            I got a job!            01/01/70 00:00      
               Good for You!            01/01/70 00:00      
   related question            01/01/70 00:00      
      CPLD and FPGA            01/01/70 00:00      
         I'm not so sure ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      different feature sets, among other differences            01/01/70 00:00      
         I know the differences, thus my question            01/01/70 00:00      
      what happened?            01/01/70 00:00      
         Numbers ... what are the numbers?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Think of a number            01/01/70 00:00      
               FPGA with built-in config flash?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  RAM and Chips            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Maybe, but my needs are "different"            01/01/70 00:00      
                        you need to rethink your bga figures            01/01/70 00:00      
                           It\'s a culture thing ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Ive had a design reverse engineered            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Comments and FPGAs            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I've had one outright stolen ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Design Security            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       do you report them            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Reporting Crooks            01/01/70 00:00      
                  huh?            01/01/70 00:00      
                     last I heard xilinx still liked DLLs            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Unfortunately, they're useless as PLL's            01/01/70 00:00      
                           ba humbug!!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              not quite sure what happend there            01/01/70 00:00      
                              not so fast, Jez            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Maybe it\\\'s not so odd ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        your application requirements are odd!            01/01/70 00:00      
                           I don't recommend against 'em            01/01/70 00:00      
                              evidently "my world' is unreal            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Perhaps it is            01/01/70 00:00      
                              DLLs and locking            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 I considered that ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    re: I considered that ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Consistent with my prior statement            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          you should try using a costas loop            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             That\\\'s for suppressed carrier, isn\\\'t it?            01/01/70 00:00      
   did u refered altera            01/01/70 00:00      

Back to Subject List