| ??? 07/26/07 16:00 Read: times |
#142366 - It's up to us to see that they fix it! Responding to: ???'s previous message |
Jan Waclawek said:
Richard Erlacher said:
Why do the mfg's all recommend the RC, yet some of them show a supervisor in the occasional app-note? Richard, this is only those manufacturers who produce the old style '51s and they simply copy/paste the old datasheets back to Intel's. Note, that there is usually a requirement on VCC risetime together with the mention of the RC reset (OK as I mentioned in a recent thread, in their newest '51's datasheet NXP omitted these words - but that's just an another example of the datasheet-writing guy's idiocy, which might bite them soon). If everyone from THIS forum were to complain to NXP via email, once the first day, twice the second day, four times the third, 16 times the fourth, 256 times the fifth ... which process could be automated, until they fixed their website, they'd probably fix this forthwith. Also, they want to SELL, and - wasn't that you who said that it's ridiculous to require a $1 reset for a $1 '51? Once they got the customer into designing with their chips, they can easily ask: "well, did you REALLY provide the 1 ms risetime on VCC?". That 1 ms risetime spec appears in "the bible" and, as far as i can see, nowhere else. What's important, however, is that there should be a fall time, and it should be VERY short, in the 10's of ns, at least at the MCU. Unfortunately, there really is no firm specification for the rise-time and fall-time of Vcc, or, for that matter, of RESET. Moreover, there's no firm definition of what happens, with the oscillator running, when Vcc is too low for internal or external logic to behave predictably. NXP is proven to be unable to produce a decent datasheet, and I am sure you have a similar feeling towards Atmel, to name the two dominant "classical '51" makers.
JW I pay no attention at all to what ATMEL does. Their, even once, use of French designers is sufficient to cause me to eschew all of their products forever. This sort of thing is typical of high-tech manufacturers when they're taken over by holding companies. Similar things happened in the '80's when United Technolgies started gobbling up companies such as MOSTEK. They didn't really know how to run a high-tech company effectively, so they ultimately destroyed them. Now that there's an internet via which we can register our dissatisfaction, we should, perhaps, use it. RE |



