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11/26/07 16:29
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#147418 - not to be argumentative ... but ...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Majid Dehghani said:
Many licensed circuits use this method for communication with a PC.

What other circuits do is not relevant!

Handshake pins are optional for some purposes.
Like RF modules - Satellite Receivers firmware updater and so on.

As I mentioned - I'm sure to damaging.
COM1 : causes MAX-232 tends to suddenly warm! and loss .
COM2 : RxD of COM2 doesn't act but TxD of COM2 is right and
no warming occur.

A question : if we apply +5V of circuits directly via a power supply (Bypassing & eliminating the regulator ),
could this power supply damage COMs and How ?


What??? +5V of which circuits? So long as you apply it to the appropriate pins and ensure that it meets all specifications (ripple, line and load regulation, noise limits), it shouldn't harm anything. Why would you want to do that? How could it help?

My original point was that devices external to your PC will not work with the PC if its handshaking is disabled, if they are expecting the handshaking to be enabled. All I meant was that you should ensure that the handshaking in the com ports be enabled once again before testing the PC to verify function of its com ports. If the device driver wants to operate these ports without handshaking, it will see to that, though it may not enable the handshaking, since it is enabled in the default. The PC "remembers" that handshaking is disabled when you power it off.

However, if the MAX232 is getting hot, there's probably something wrong in your MAX232 circuit, and not in the PC. The PC is supposed to be connected via RS232 drivers and receivers. They have a nominal K-ohm-range series impedance, which shouldn't allow damage either to the PC or to the MAX232.

Do you suppose something is not wired as intended? Have you verified, in detail, that it is connected as you intended? Have you tried isolating the MAX232 from the MCU and the PC, and verified that the V+ (pin 2)and V- (pin 6) are at approximately 10 volts to either side of GND? Have you examined the Vcc and GND connections with an oscilloscope? Have you considered adding a 0.1 uF cap between pins 16 and 15?

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List of 60 messages in thread
TopicAuthorDate
PC COM Ports Damaging !!!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Earth loops?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Why Now and this circuit ?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Damage?            01/01/70 00:00      
      I am Sure ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Common mode            01/01/70 00:00      
      You haven't mentioned            01/01/70 00:00      
   do you have the shell of DB9 grounded?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Serial port damage            01/01/70 00:00      
      for serial port damage            01/01/70 00:00      
         No            01/01/70 00:00      
      No, that can't be right!            01/01/70 00:00      
         re:3.3V            01/01/70 00:00      
            are you sure about that, Andy?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Are You SURE?            01/01/70 00:00      
      I'm sure Dear ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         not to be argumentative ... but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   check it            01/01/70 00:00      
      Checks            01/01/70 00:00      
         We haven't seen how the DB-9 is wired            01/01/70 00:00      
            It\'s probably not a DB-9!            01/01/70 00:00      
               sure, but            01/01/70 00:00      
               Sloppy terminology            01/01/70 00:00      
   My Burned out ports            01/01/70 00:00      
      What?            01/01/70 00:00      
         What I mean is            01/01/70 00:00      
   a common misunderstanding is            01/01/70 00:00      
      So problem is in "modern" PCs?!            01/01/70 00:00      
      So problem is in "modern" PCs?!            01/01/70 00:00      
         maybe i'm wrong            01/01/70 00:00      
   try with opto coupler and +9 volt supply            01/01/70 00:00      
      Back when folks cared whether things work ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Assuming He does not have one            01/01/70 00:00      
         There is a way to be sure.            01/01/70 00:00      
            Standard            01/01/70 00:00      
               Power Supply ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Dwhatever9 shell connection to GND...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     about that shell-to-shell connection            01/01/70 00:00      
                        generally...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Truth emerges            01/01/70 00:00      
                     developed?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  that\'s the problem!            01/01/70 00:00      
         HUH?            01/01/70 00:00      
      why??            01/01/70 00:00      
         Broken COM port suggestions            01/01/70 00:00      
            he is not wrong - if            01/01/70 00:00      
               ...he is not wrong... only said watch it            01/01/70 00:00      
                  BULL!!!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Bull?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        yes, genuine male cow manure            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Eric, you are a sad man            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Amateurs and pros            01/01/70 00:00      
                              of course I do            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Well, it has to do...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Kai, I now you know this stuff ... but            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Different CMOS design?            01/01/70 00:00      
   that's right, when you can not argue tha facts ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      My Dear Friends ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         look in the datasheet            01/01/70 00:00      
            Y E S . . .            01/01/70 00:00      

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