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11/27/07 19:21
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 		 #147467 - generally...
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Richard Erlacher said:
that's supposed to be FRAME ground only! It should be on a separate conductor in the cable from the GND (DB25-pin 7).

If you hook power supply GND to that, you will get what you deserve!

RE



... yes, earth (frame ground is maybe more precise, but earth is shorter so I'll stick to it for purpose of this post) and ground are two different things in general. So, the most general picture is even more complex: we have 4 different potentials (E1, G1, E2, G2). What we need indeed is to equalize G1 and G2 before signal pins mate, so the shells have to be on these potentials. Being a system engineer, I don't really care how this happens, but I want this happen. If this means I need to ensure Ex=Gx, I'd go for that.

Btw., Dwhatever25 connectors for RS232 are really rare nowadays, although we all know very well what's in the "RS232-bible"... :-)

JW

PS. [Slightly later]: of course a galvanic decoupling brings us into a yet another situation, with Ex Gx and Gx', figure out what's the proper connection yourself.


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PC COM Ports Damaging !!!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Earth loops?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Why Now and this circuit ?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Damage?            01/01/70 00:00      
      I am Sure ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   Common mode            01/01/70 00:00      
      You haven't mentioned            01/01/70 00:00      
   do you have the shell of DB9 grounded?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Serial port damage            01/01/70 00:00      
      for serial port damage            01/01/70 00:00      
         No            01/01/70 00:00      
      No, that can't be right!            01/01/70 00:00      
         re:3.3V            01/01/70 00:00      
            are you sure about that, Andy?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Are You SURE?            01/01/70 00:00      
      I'm sure Dear ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         not to be argumentative ... but ...            01/01/70 00:00      
   check it            01/01/70 00:00      
      Checks            01/01/70 00:00      
         We haven't seen how the DB-9 is wired            01/01/70 00:00      
            It\'s probably not a DB-9!            01/01/70 00:00      
               sure, but            01/01/70 00:00      
               Sloppy terminology            01/01/70 00:00      
   My Burned out ports            01/01/70 00:00      
      What?            01/01/70 00:00      
         What I mean is            01/01/70 00:00      
   a common misunderstanding is            01/01/70 00:00      
      So problem is in "modern" PCs?!            01/01/70 00:00      
      So problem is in "modern" PCs?!            01/01/70 00:00      
         maybe i'm wrong            01/01/70 00:00      
   try with opto coupler and +9 volt supply            01/01/70 00:00      
      Back when folks cared whether things work ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      Assuming He does not have one            01/01/70 00:00      
         There is a way to be sure.            01/01/70 00:00      
            Standard            01/01/70 00:00      
               Power Supply ...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Dwhatever9 shell connection to GND...            01/01/70 00:00      
                     about that shell-to-shell connection            01/01/70 00:00      
                        generally...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Truth emerges            01/01/70 00:00      
                     developed?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  that\'s the problem!            01/01/70 00:00      
         HUH?            01/01/70 00:00      
      why??            01/01/70 00:00      
         Broken COM port suggestions            01/01/70 00:00      
            he is not wrong - if            01/01/70 00:00      
               ...he is not wrong... only said watch it            01/01/70 00:00      
                  BULL!!!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Bull?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        yes, genuine male cow manure            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Eric, you are a sad man            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Amateurs and pros            01/01/70 00:00      
                              of course I do            01/01/70 00:00      
                     Well, it has to do...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Kai, I now you know this stuff ... but            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Different CMOS design?            01/01/70 00:00      
   that's right, when you can not argue tha facts ...            01/01/70 00:00      
      My Dear Friends ...            01/01/70 00:00      
         look in the datasheet            01/01/70 00:00      
            Y E S . . .            01/01/70 00:00      

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