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10/31/05 16:53
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 		 #103198 - focus on HC08/12
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Joseph Höfer said:

PS. Yes Andy, I might be a pessimist, but once upon a time I was also a optimistic user of Hiware compilers for ST7, before they were bought by Motorola and Metrowerks... When a semiconductor giant buys the tools, it is never for the tools market itself. There is no money in that market. It is to control what silicon is going to be used in new designs, trust me. I just checked on www.arm.com, their turnover are around 150 million pound per year. Does anyone seriously think ARM bought Keil for the license income? Do you think ARM really cares for the Keil 8051 compiler technology?n Sorry, time to wake up...


They may have stopped the ST7 support, but the CodeWarrior is the best tool I have seen for a 8 bit CPU and the HC08 /HC12 family is certainly benefiting from the focus.


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TopicAuthorDate
ARM buys Keil!            01/01/70 00:00      
   ARM buys Keil: Good or bad?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Good question!            01/01/70 00:00      
         Can't be bad            01/01/70 00:00      
            Hopefully not...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Revenge            01/01/70 00:00      
         Danger ahead?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Danger Indeed!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Always alternatives            01/01/70 00:00      
               ongoing 8051 compiler development            01/01/70 00:00      
                  There's the answer            01/01/70 00:00      
                     That´s not the answer            01/01/70 00:00      
                        re: not the answer?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           You unfaithful ;-)            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Compiler improvements            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 IDE, sim improvement            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    non-sequitur            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Yes that was a jump            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          IDE            01/01/70 00:00      
                     The answer is simpler than that            01/01/70 00:00      
                        What a pessimist...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Be prepared for....            01/01/70 00:00      
                           this is not even a 5 on the ricter scale            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Is ARM always a better choice?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Keil's website down?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              it was, but isn't            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Windfall is happening?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              What me worry?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I'm with you Kalpak            01/01/70 00:00      
                           possibly part of it            01/01/70 00:00      
                              But here it is the other way round            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 what about the IDEiots?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    You have a point            01/01/70 00:00      
                           focus on HC08/12            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Exactly my point            01/01/70 00:00      
                        A similar view expressed on a newsgroup            01/01/70 00:00      
                           You have got to be kidding            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Then again            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 ok, but compared to what?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Excellent link            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Agreed            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       EEMBC            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          8052.com            01/01/70 00:00      
                              why Dhrystones?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           8051 is unique?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           plus ca change...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           3 types of tools            01/01/70 00:00      
      Doesn't affect me in the slightest            01/01/70 00:00      
         What's special about software tools?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Fixable            01/01/70 00:00      
               Why?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  My Caprice is 19 years old            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Open source motoring            01/01/70 00:00      
            Cute little cat!            01/01/70 00:00      
               Cost/benefit            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Quick comparison: SDCC vs Keil            01/01/70 00:00      
                     willing to share ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I would but...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  that's the skinny            01/01/70 00:00      
         Beside the point            01/01/70 00:00      
   ARM buys Keil!            01/01/70 00:00      
      why would that happen?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Well hardly            01/01/70 00:00      
      That's highly unlikely!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Digression: Status of 8051 IP?            01/01/70 00:00      
      roll-your-own            01/01/70 00:00      
         ARM may be targetting MCU maket            01/01/70 00:00      
            They said it before            01/01/70 00:00      
            replacing the 8051            01/01/70 00:00      
      8051 IP - Public Domain?            01/01/70 00:00      
   8051 News            01/01/70 00:00      
      News submission broken            01/01/70 00:00      
         The Reason            01/01/70 00:00      
         lucky you            01/01/70 00:00      
         clock problem            01/01/70 00:00      
   How is Leading 51 seriesMCU vendor?            01/01/70 00:00      
      comments            01/01/70 00:00      
      Tools            01/01/70 00:00      
   just thought of it            01/01/70 00:00      
      just noted            01/01/70 00:00      
         Which ad?            01/01/70 00:00      
            the one I did not see            01/01/70 00:00      
               Display cycle            01/01/70 00:00      
            assurances ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Keil and ARM            01/01/70 00:00      
                  What we've been saying            01/01/70 00:00      
                     cheaper, yes            01/01/70 00:00      
      Deals            01/01/70 00:00      
   a solution            01/01/70 00:00      
      You can keep the IDE            01/01/70 00:00      

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