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11/01/05 22:14
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 		 #103228 - Windfall is happening?
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Craig Steiner said:
Joseph Höfer said:
What does this mean for us 8051 users? Well, if you, like me, are using Keil, be prepared for both "push" and "pull" marketing and tactics to start using ARM micros.


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Plus like I said before, if Keil were to stop supporting 8051 you still have IAR and Raisonance that would see a huge windfall as 8051 clients move to their products. ...


And someone else later posted "Oh good grief Keil != 8051 core. Its IS one of the largest suppliers of A 'C' compiler for it, but there are others happy to take its place"

I became curious how these other players would react, so I checked around the web. Well, I guess you are both correct! Is this a coincidence or not, but IAR today (!) announced a new 8051 compiler version, now with C++ (!!).
http://www.iar.com/p414/p414_eng.php?article=28
I dont know how useful C++ is for most projects, but they do seem hungry to take over after Keil.

Best Regards

Joseph




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ARM buys Keil!            01/01/70 00:00      
   ARM buys Keil: Good or bad?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Good question!            01/01/70 00:00      
         Can't be bad            01/01/70 00:00      
            Hopefully not...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Revenge            01/01/70 00:00      
         Danger ahead?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Danger Indeed!            01/01/70 00:00      
            Always alternatives            01/01/70 00:00      
               ongoing 8051 compiler development            01/01/70 00:00      
                  There's the answer            01/01/70 00:00      
                     That´s not the answer            01/01/70 00:00      
                        re: not the answer?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           You unfaithful ;-)            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Compiler improvements            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 IDE, sim improvement            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    non-sequitur            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       Yes that was a jump            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          IDE            01/01/70 00:00      
                     The answer is simpler than that            01/01/70 00:00      
                        What a pessimist...            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Be prepared for....            01/01/70 00:00      
                           this is not even a 5 on the ricter scale            01/01/70 00:00      
                        Is ARM always a better choice?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Keil's website down?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              it was, but isn't            01/01/70 00:00      
                           Windfall is happening?            01/01/70 00:00      
                              What me worry?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I'm with you Kalpak            01/01/70 00:00      
                           possibly part of it            01/01/70 00:00      
                              But here it is the other way round            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 what about the IDEiots?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    You have a point            01/01/70 00:00      
                           focus on HC08/12            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Exactly my point            01/01/70 00:00      
                        A similar view expressed on a newsgroup            01/01/70 00:00      
                           You have got to be kidding            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Then again            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 ok, but compared to what?            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 Excellent link            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Agreed            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       EEMBC            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          8052.com            01/01/70 00:00      
                              why Dhrystones?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           8051 is unique?            01/01/70 00:00      
                           plus ca change...            01/01/70 00:00      
                           3 types of tools            01/01/70 00:00      
      Doesn't affect me in the slightest            01/01/70 00:00      
         What's special about software tools?            01/01/70 00:00      
            Fixable            01/01/70 00:00      
               Why?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  My Caprice is 19 years old            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Open source motoring            01/01/70 00:00      
            Cute little cat!            01/01/70 00:00      
               Cost/benefit            01/01/70 00:00      
                  Quick comparison: SDCC vs Keil            01/01/70 00:00      
                     willing to share ?            01/01/70 00:00      
                        I would but...            01/01/70 00:00      
                  that's the skinny            01/01/70 00:00      
         Beside the point            01/01/70 00:00      
   ARM buys Keil!            01/01/70 00:00      
      why would that happen?            01/01/70 00:00      
      Well hardly            01/01/70 00:00      
      That's highly unlikely!            01/01/70 00:00      
   Digression: Status of 8051 IP?            01/01/70 00:00      
      roll-your-own            01/01/70 00:00      
         ARM may be targetting MCU maket            01/01/70 00:00      
            They said it before            01/01/70 00:00      
            replacing the 8051            01/01/70 00:00      
      8051 IP - Public Domain?            01/01/70 00:00      
   8051 News            01/01/70 00:00      
      News submission broken            01/01/70 00:00      
         The Reason            01/01/70 00:00      
         lucky you            01/01/70 00:00      
         clock problem            01/01/70 00:00      
   How is Leading 51 seriesMCU vendor?            01/01/70 00:00      
      comments            01/01/70 00:00      
      Tools            01/01/70 00:00      
   just thought of it            01/01/70 00:00      
      just noted            01/01/70 00:00      
         Which ad?            01/01/70 00:00      
            the one I did not see            01/01/70 00:00      
               Display cycle            01/01/70 00:00      
            assurances ...            01/01/70 00:00      
               Keil and ARM            01/01/70 00:00      
                  What we've been saying            01/01/70 00:00      
                     cheaper, yes            01/01/70 00:00      
      Deals            01/01/70 00:00      
   a solution            01/01/70 00:00      
      You can keep the IDE            01/01/70 00:00      

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