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08/31/04 17:13
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#76685 - RE: Microprocesor emulator?
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Thanks for your response, Phillip.

After all the platform issues are settled the question becomes, what would you do with this device? Who's binaries would you run other than your own. Perhaps this is what fuels the 6502 simulator comments


This is certainly a valid question and certainly is a valid reason for considering 6502 emulation. I would say that such a platform would run our own binaries. The more I think about 6502 emulation the more I think it'd be pretty tricky due to the external parts (ANTIC, POKEY, GTIA, etc.) that would have to be emulated. Without emulating those parts the classic binaries aren't going to work even if the 6502 instruction set is perfectly emulated.

What would we do with such a device? Probably not much, really. It seems it is probably a proof of concept rather than something genuinely useful. Once the device was built it could be fun to see what all we could make it do; I can see a sub-forum or special area of 8052.com being dedicated to projects based on the underlying platform. It would be interesting to see just how much we could each make the platform do. Who'd be first to implement Asteroids on the 8052? :)

Again, I think this is mostly a hobbyist challenge. To try to do something because we can--not because there's any compelling reason to. It's like climbing a mountain "because it's there." After all, if someone wants a computer they should just buy a computer and not build one based on a part that really isn't even meant for this.

On the other hand, if it had a mini-VGA screen and was small I've long had the desire to build my own GPS navigation system for my car. So perhaps a platform like this could have niche uses for each of us.

CGA is easy to write to. An 8 bit VGA card (this is a "one of" isnt it?) would be a tad harder but very do-able and would accomodate higher res/more color and generality of display type. (note the spec creep)?


I don't plan on designing this thing for mass production, but I would like it to be based on readily available parts so that anyone that wants to build one can build it without looking for old obsolete CGA cards. I personally would be in favor of CGA or VGA output rather than simply text output. Once again I'm not familiar with these cards but if they somehow take care of video memory, etc. it might actually be easier to have 640x480 resolution than a lower resolution that the 8052 itself would have to manage.

Is there any such thing as "VGA on a chip?" Or does VGA require an entire card with memory external to the VGA chip itself, etc.?

There are lot's of interesting IDE xface/device solutions and a '51 dedicated to this task would again model ATARI disk capability (or am i thinking comodore?).


Yes, I've seen the IDE interface code for the 8052 and have been meaning to play with it for some time. I have a couple of old IDE drives here plus an extra 20GB laptop HD.

Are you being whimsical regarding this platform or are you in danger of actually considering devoting effort to such a device?


Heheh, I might actually devote some effort to this. I'm sure I don't have time to do it all by myself and this would have to be considered a "fun hobby" rather than anything useful or commercially viable. But if there are even a few other people that would be interested in spending a little time I'm sure that this could be done by spreading out the design and development work among interested parties.

Also, I should make it clear that my goal wasn't and isn't really to make an 8052 Atari computer. I wasn't really considering making it Atari-compatible or using Atari disk drives, etc. I was mostly holding out the Atari as an example of what I think an 8052 computer ought to be capable of.

Regards,
Craig Steiner


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Atari 400/800 implementation with 8052            01/01/70 00:00      
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      Sorry...            01/01/70 00:00      
   RE: Atari 400/800 implementation with 8052            01/01/70 00:00      
   RE: Atari 400/800 implementation with 80            01/01/70 00:00      
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   Microprocesor emulator?            01/01/70 00:00      
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            6502 emulation            01/01/70 00:00      
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   Video output with 8052?            01/01/70 00:00      
      VGA?            01/01/70 00:00      
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   RE: Atari 400/800 implementation with 8052            01/01/70 00:00      
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      RE: Atari 400/800 implementation with 80            01/01/70 00:00      
         Do we really need 6502 emulation?            01/01/70 00:00      
            RE: Do we really need 6502 emulation?            01/01/70 00:00      
               RE: Do we really need 6502 emulation?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I'm game!            01/01/70 00:00      
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                        RE: I'm game!            01/01/70 00:00      
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                              RE: I\'m game!            01/01/70 00:00      
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   8052-based video or off-chip solution            01/01/70 00:00      
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      My My...Where is the OLD spirit?            01/01/70 00:00      
   RE: Atari 400/800 implementation with 8052            01/01/70 00:00      
      LCD?            01/01/70 00:00      
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            RE: LCD motiv?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Revisiting video & emulation            01/01/70 00:00      
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                              Phillip implements 8052 video            01/01/70 00:00      
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                                    Phillip video user page            01/01/70 00:00      
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                                          Silabs as video chip            01/01/70 00:00      
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                                       RE: Phillip video user page            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          RE: Phillip video user page            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             RE: Phillip video user page            01/01/70 00:00      
                              RE: Revisiting video & emulation            01/01/70 00:00      
   WHY?            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: WHY?            01/01/70 00:00      
      None of the above            01/01/70 00:00      
   Programmable logic again            01/01/70 00:00      
   Defining the project & new ideas            01/01/70 00:00      
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                     RE: Efficiency            01/01/70 00:00      
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                                 RE: Purpose of OS/Relocatable code            01/01/70 00:00      
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                     RE: Defining the project & new ideas            01/01/70 00:00      
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   Take a look            01/01/70 00:00      
   Starting specifications?            01/01/70 00:00      
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         I2C vs. parallel bus            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: Starting specifications?            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: Serial vs. parallel internal bus            01/01/70 00:00      
            RE: Serial vs. parallel internal bus            01/01/70 00:00      
      Then parallel..            01/01/70 00:00      
   RE: Atari 400/800 implementation with 8052            01/01/70 00:00      
      Re: Architecture questions            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: Atari 400/800 implementation with 80            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: Atari 400/800 implementation with 80            01/01/70 00:00      
            RE: Atari 400/800 implementation with 80            01/01/70 00:00      
               RE: Atari 400/800 implementation with 80            01/01/70 00:00      
                  RE: Atari 400/800 implementation with 80            01/01/70 00:00      
   Proposal: Internal Data Bus            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: Proposal: Internal Data Bus            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: Proposal: Internal Data Bus            01/01/70 00:00      
            RE: Command/Data line            01/01/70 00:00      
               RE: Command/Data line            01/01/70 00:00      
                  RE: Command/Data line            01/01/70 00:00      
                     RE: just recalled another            01/01/70 00:00      
                        RE: just recalled another            01/01/70 00:00      
                     RE: Alternative bus strategies            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: Proposal: Internal Data Bus            01/01/70 00:00      
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                     RAM quantity & Interrupts            01/01/70 00:00      
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      Where's the memory?            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: Shared memory as the data bus?            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: Where\'s the memory?            01/01/70 00:00      
            RE: Multiport/DMA limitations            01/01/70 00:00      
               RE: Multiport/DMA limitations            01/01/70 00:00      
                  DMA on the Atari            01/01/70 00:00      
                     RE: DMA on the Atari            01/01/70 00:00      
                        RE: DMA on the Atari            01/01/70 00:00      
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                           RE: DMA on the Atari            01/01/70 00:00      
               RE: Multiport/DMA limitations Yes But..            01/01/70 00:00      
   Future of this project            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: Future of this project            01/01/70 00:00      
         Purpose of the project            01/01/70 00:00      
            RE: Purpose of the project            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: Future of this project            01/01/70 00:00      
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         RE: Future of this project            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: Future of this project            01/01/70 00:00      
   RE: Atari 400/800 implementation with 80            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: Atari games on CD            01/01/70 00:00      
   RE: Multiprocessing/ebay/vintage_puters            01/01/70 00:00      
   RE: Karas the Big Party Pooper            01/01/70 00:00      
      That's the point            01/01/70 00:00      
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         RE: Karas the Big Party Pooper            01/01/70 00:00      
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               RE: in a grid            01/01/70 00:00      
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      RE: Karas the Big Party Pooper            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: Karas the Big Party Pooper            01/01/70 00:00      
   RE: Atari 400/800 implementation with 8052            01/01/70 00:00      
   About the multiprocessor scheme            01/01/70 00:00      
   Home built 8051 computer??            01/01/70 00:00      

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