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09/01/04 06:53
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#76730 - RE: I'm game!
Responding to: ???'s previous message
Planning/brainstorming. What we do right now right here.

My opinion: we should aim at v2.0 being fitted with full compatibility mode, so my postulates for now are:

1) We should decide for one target platform. Atari 800XL is the first idea (as some of us seem to be a bit familiar with that platform), but that's still open for discussion. I'd rather avoid Atari 400/800 as these were "bitty boxen", made more with savings in mind than good design, besides there was never a good software library for them. Other options are Commodore 64/128 and ZX Spectrum 48/plus (yeah, Z80). The factors we should consider at the choice time:
- Documentation. We really need good documentation to follow!
- Original design quality. The original design must be smart and simulatneously simple so we could replicate parts of it. Also "doable in 51" and reasonably "good" final product (We don't want ZX81 on which hardly anything was possible)
- Software library (so we had something to port, this IS a major shortcoming of Atari 400/800!)
- Our own (common-shared) experience, personal issues.
- (design copyright issues?)

2) Our overall design should replicate 100% of the target platform basics. We can include our own extensions but they shouldn't collide with the original, so we enter the "compatibility mode" and it all runs "out of the box", so hardware is not an issue, no missing tracks, reversed byte order or wrong memory mapping that requires conversion of the original software.

3) All the "custom" parts wherever reasonable and possible are made with separate '51s, matching 1:1 or in extreme cases 2:1 (2 '51s for one chip, preferably avoid!) the original parts in functionality. Extra functionality like DAC/ADC, RF modulation etc is done in discretes. We may omit non-essential parts of the design that don't cause software problems, replacing them with corresponding "stubs" so i.e. we don't support a tape recorder at all, but the software will "see" that the tape recorder is unplugged, not that the hardware reading it is missing.

4) To be decided: Do we build everything with identical '51s (easier programming) or take advantage of the richness of the family and place different derivatives for different tasks? (multi-pin for IO, built in DAC for Audio/Video etc.

5) We use Flash/EEprom derivatives and use the internal memory as the system ROM and "custom chip internals". The "loadable" software proper is read from external memory. The chips may thus switch their own EA at will... (we might include an external ROM chip for compatiblity...)

6) Version 1.0 will work in basic '51 native mode, where each chip does its own single designated task, the "CPU" runs native '51 binaries. Version 2.0 will include 6502 (or Z80?) emulation support and multiprocessor mode, where arbitrary "dedicated" chips switch their "outside world I/O" off, switch to external code memory and start processing some "external" program, just like the CPU does.

Opinions? Comments? Suggestions?

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Atari 400/800 implementation with 8052            01/01/70 00:00      
   RE: Atari 400/800 implementation with 8052            01/01/70 00:00      
      Sorry...            01/01/70 00:00      
   RE: Atari 400/800 implementation with 8052            01/01/70 00:00      
   RE: Atari 400/800 implementation with 80            01/01/70 00:00      
   RE: Atari 400/800 implementation with 80            01/01/70 00:00      
   Microprocesor emulator?            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: Microprocesor emulator?            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: Microprocesor emulator?            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: Microprocesor emulator?            01/01/70 00:00      
            6502 emulation            01/01/70 00:00      
               RE: 6502 emulation            01/01/70 00:00      
                  RE: 6502 emulation            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: Microprocesor emulator?            01/01/70 00:00      
            RE: Microprocesor emulator?            01/01/70 00:00      
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                        RE: Microprocesor emulator?            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: Microprocesor emulator?            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: Microprocesor emulator?            01/01/70 00:00      
   RE: Atari 400/800 implementation with 8052            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: Atari 400/800 implementation with 80            01/01/70 00:00      
   RE: Atari 400/800 implementation with 8052            01/01/70 00:00      
   Video output with 8052?            01/01/70 00:00      
      VGA?            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: Video output with 8052?            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: Video output with 8052?            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: Video output with 8052?            01/01/70 00:00      
            RE: Video output with 8052?            01/01/70 00:00      
            RE: Video output with 8052?            01/01/70 00:00      
   RE: Atari 400/800 implementation with 8052            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: Atari 400/800 implementation with 8052            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: Atari 400/800 implementation with 80            01/01/70 00:00      
         Do we really need 6502 emulation?            01/01/70 00:00      
            RE: Do we really need 6502 emulation?            01/01/70 00:00      
               RE: Do we really need 6502 emulation?            01/01/70 00:00      
                  I'm game!            01/01/70 00:00      
                     RE: I'm game!            01/01/70 00:00      
                        RE: I'm game!            01/01/70 00:00      
                           RE: I'm game!            01/01/70 00:00      
                              RE: I\'m game!            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 RE: I\'m game!            01/01/70 00:00      
   8052-based video or off-chip solution            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: 8052-based video or off-chip solutio            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: 8052-based video or off-chip solution            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: 8052-based video or off-chip solution            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: 8052-based video or off-chip solution            01/01/70 00:00      
      My My...Where is the OLD spirit?            01/01/70 00:00      
   RE: Atari 400/800 implementation with 8052            01/01/70 00:00      
      LCD?            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: LCD?            01/01/70 00:00      
            RE: LCD motiv?            01/01/70 00:00      
   Revisiting video & emulation            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: Revisiting video & emulation            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: Revisiting video & emulation            01/01/70 00:00      
            RE: Revisiting video & emulation            01/01/70 00:00      
            RE: Revisiting video & emulation            01/01/70 00:00      
               RE: Revisiting video & emulation            01/01/70 00:00      
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                           RE: Revisiting video & emulation            01/01/70 00:00      
                              Phillip implements 8052 video            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 RE: Phillip implements 8052 video            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    Phillip video user page            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       RE: Phillip video user page            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          Silabs as video chip            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             RE: Silabs as video chip            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       RE: Phillip video user page            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          RE: Phillip video user page            01/01/70 00:00      
                                             RE: Phillip video user page            01/01/70 00:00      
                              RE: Revisiting video & emulation            01/01/70 00:00      
   WHY?            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: WHY?            01/01/70 00:00      
      None of the above            01/01/70 00:00      
   Programmable logic again            01/01/70 00:00      
   Defining the project & new ideas            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: Defining the project & new ideas            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: Defining the project & new ideas            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: Defining the project & new ideas            01/01/70 00:00      
            RE: Defining the project & new ideas            01/01/70 00:00      
               RE: Defining the project & new ideas            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: Defining the project & new ideas            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: Defining the project & new ideas            01/01/70 00:00      
            RE: Defining the project & new ideas            01/01/70 00:00      
               RE: Defining the project & new ideas            01/01/70 00:00      
                  RE: Defining the project & new ideas            01/01/70 00:00      
                     RE: Efficiency            01/01/70 00:00      
                        RE: Efficiency            01/01/70 00:00      
                           RE: Efficiency            01/01/70 00:00      
                              RE: Efficiency            01/01/70 00:00      
                                 RE: Purpose of OS/Relocatable code            01/01/70 00:00      
                                    RE: Purpose of OS/Relocatable code            01/01/70 00:00      
                                       RE: Purpose of OS/Relocatable code            01/01/70 00:00      
                                          RE: Purpose of OS/Relocatable code            01/01/70 00:00      
                     RE: Defining the project & new ideas            01/01/70 00:00      
                        RE: Defining the project & new ideas            01/01/70 00:00      
                     RE: Defining the project & new ideas            01/01/70 00:00      
   Take a look            01/01/70 00:00      
   Starting specifications?            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: Starting specifications?            01/01/70 00:00      
         I2C vs. parallel bus            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: Starting specifications?            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: Serial vs. parallel internal bus            01/01/70 00:00      
            RE: Serial vs. parallel internal bus            01/01/70 00:00      
      Then parallel..            01/01/70 00:00      
   RE: Atari 400/800 implementation with 8052            01/01/70 00:00      
      Re: Architecture questions            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: Atari 400/800 implementation with 80            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: Atari 400/800 implementation with 80            01/01/70 00:00      
            RE: Atari 400/800 implementation with 80            01/01/70 00:00      
               RE: Atari 400/800 implementation with 80            01/01/70 00:00      
                  RE: Atari 400/800 implementation with 80            01/01/70 00:00      
   Proposal: Internal Data Bus            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: Proposal: Internal Data Bus            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: Proposal: Internal Data Bus            01/01/70 00:00      
            RE: Command/Data line            01/01/70 00:00      
               RE: Command/Data line            01/01/70 00:00      
                  RE: Command/Data line            01/01/70 00:00      
                     RE: just recalled another            01/01/70 00:00      
                        RE: just recalled another            01/01/70 00:00      
                     RE: Alternative bus strategies            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: Proposal: Internal Data Bus            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: Proposal: Internal Data Bus            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: Proposal: Internal Data Bus            01/01/70 00:00      
            RE: Proposal: Internal Data Bus            01/01/70 00:00      
               RE: Proposal: Internal Data Bus            01/01/70 00:00      
                  RE: Proposal: Internal Data Bus            01/01/70 00:00      
                     RAM quantity & Interrupts            01/01/70 00:00      
                        RE: RAM quantity & Interrupts            01/01/70 00:00      
      Where's the memory?            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: Shared memory as the data bus?            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: Where\'s the memory?            01/01/70 00:00      
            RE: Multiport/DMA limitations            01/01/70 00:00      
               RE: Multiport/DMA limitations            01/01/70 00:00      
                  DMA on the Atari            01/01/70 00:00      
                     RE: DMA on the Atari            01/01/70 00:00      
                        RE: DMA on the Atari            01/01/70 00:00      
                           RE: DMA on the Atari            01/01/70 00:00      
                           RE: DMA on the Atari            01/01/70 00:00      
               RE: Multiport/DMA limitations Yes But..            01/01/70 00:00      
   Future of this project            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: Future of this project            01/01/70 00:00      
         Purpose of the project            01/01/70 00:00      
            RE: Purpose of the project            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: Future of this project            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: Future of this project            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: Future of this project            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: Future of this project            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: Future of this project            01/01/70 00:00      
   RE: Atari 400/800 implementation with 80            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: Atari games on CD            01/01/70 00:00      
   RE: Multiprocessing/ebay/vintage_puters            01/01/70 00:00      
   RE: Karas the Big Party Pooper            01/01/70 00:00      
      That's the point            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: Karas the Big Party Pooper            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: Karas the Big Party Pooper            01/01/70 00:00      
            RE: Karas the Big Party Pooper            01/01/70 00:00      
               RE: in a grid            01/01/70 00:00      
                  RE: in a grid            01/01/70 00:00      
                     RE: in a grid            01/01/70 00:00      
                        RE: in a grid            01/01/70 00:00      
                           RE: in a grid            01/01/70 00:00      
      RE: Karas the Big Party Pooper            01/01/70 00:00      
         RE: Karas the Big Party Pooper            01/01/70 00:00      
   RE: Atari 400/800 implementation with 8052            01/01/70 00:00      
   About the multiprocessor scheme            01/01/70 00:00      
   Home built 8051 computer??            01/01/70 00:00      

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