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Hi Eric,
I still have not managed to decide whether or not to "migrate" from muxed to non-muxed, so a mixture of mux and non-mux questions is in my mind. As you know well, in a typical sign, we have LEDs, LED boards, LED drivers, mainboard, power supply and casing. Now assuming that the cost of casing, power supply and motherboard is rughly the same for both multiplexed and non multiplexed displays(unless of course there are things that I may have neglected) a rough approximation of the main cost issues will be: (Some of items were omitted "from both sides" for the sake of simplicity ... Things like high side drivers from the mux side and instead, two layer epoxy-glass LED boards from the non-mux side.- In my former designs the 4-pin sipder LEDs gave me the opportunity to use single layer boards as LED board beacause each Spider LED containd a "jumper" inside it between the two "extra" leads. But in non-mux approach using two-lead cheap LEDs and the STs makes two layer epoxy-glass-FR4 boards inevitable which are of course [much] more expensive that one layer ones.) mux: 8000 expensive LEDs, No ST2221s non-mux: 8000 cheap LEDs, 500 "new" ST2221Cs: AN88161 Now the question is whether or not 8000 * (PriceExpensive LED - PriceCheap LED) >> 500 * Price"new" ST2221C With PriceExpensive LED = .18USD (toyolite.com-shipping not included) PriceCheap LED ~= .03USD (my approximation!) Price"new" ST2221C = .44USD (toyolite.com-shipping not included) Well, seems easy to conclue, but the prices here are confusing: PriceExpensive LED = 60 Tomans PriceCheap LED = 10 Tomans Price"new" ST2221C = 500 Tomans Then 8000 * (PriceEXPENSIVE LED - PriceCHEAP LED) = 400,000 Tomans And 500 * Price"new" ST2221C = 250,000 Tomans But Here the difference between the cost of 20,000 square cm of two layer LED board and one layer one is some 500,000 Tomans which completely covers everything! WHY? Of course we still have these issues: - easier synchronization in non-muxed - No "aging" in non-muxed - gluteus-friendly wiring in non-muxed now drop the multiplex and get down to 3 wirws. A typical sign of mine (16*108 color) will have about 650 of them. The 2221a has constant current outputs, thus no 8 resistors are required For a sign that size with a decent intensity he will need a 100A (8192 * 20mA = 164A) change your design to have two power circuits one for the LEDs and one for the logic chips, it works in 1000 units built every month here. While reading the I<OUT> vs. DutyCycle diagram of ST2221 (in a non-multiplexed display) is it Okay to consider the duty cycle to be some 90% provided that the needed time to hit strobe is short enough? A useable sign must adapt the intenity to ambient light. You will want to sense ambient light and regulate your brightness. Using the REXT...no...by PWMing right? Controlled by an "eye" or what? I run my LEDs at approx 200kHz with no problems (need to for color) The problems we have had have all been related to ground bounce on the LED boards. Our current boards have two heavy copper layers for ground and one havy layer for VLED. One thing you MUST do is to have Vcc and Vled separated. Do I have to use "heavy copper" boards? It seems that this "Vcc and Vled separated" is a suggestion for that original poster's approach, since the VCC and VLED of ST2221 series is the same ... I mean impossible to separate. Best. |